Listening to shame | Brené Brown

Listening to shame | Brené Brown

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I’m going to tell you a little bit
about my TEDxHouston Talk. I woke up the morning
after I gave that talk with the worst vulnerability
hangover of my life. And I actually didn’t leave my house
for about three days. The first time I left
was to meet a friend for lunch. And when I walked in,
she was already at the table. I sat down, and she said,
“God, you look like hell.” I said, “Thanks. I feel really — I’m not functioning.” And she said, “What’s going on?” And I said, “I just told 500 people that I became a researcher
to avoid vulnerability. And that when being vulnerable
emerged from my data, as absolutely essential
to whole-hearted living, I told these 500 people
that I had a breakdown. I had a slide that said ‘Breakdown.’ At what point did I think
that was a good idea?” (Laughter) And she said, “I saw
your talk live-streamed. It was not really you. It was a little different
than what you usually do. But it was great.” And I said, “This can’t happen. YouTube, they’re putting
this thing on YouTube. And we’re going to be talking
about 600, 700 people.” (Laughter) And she said,
“Well, I think it’s too late.” And I said, “Let me ask you something.” And she said, “Yeah.” I said, “Do you remember
when we were in college, really wild and kind of dumb?” She said, “Yeah.” I said, “Remember when
we’d leave a really bad message on our ex-boyfriend’s answering machine? Then we’d have to break into his dorm room
and then erase the tape?” (Laughter) And she goes, “Uh… no.” (Laughter) Of course, the only thing
I could say at that point was, “Yeah, me neither. Yeah — me neither.” And I’m thinking to myself, “Brené, what are you doing? Why did you bring this up? Have you lost your mind? Your sisters would be perfect for this.” (Laughter) So I looked back up and she said, “Are you really going to try
to break in and steal the video before they put it on YouTube?” (Laughter) And I said, “I’m just thinking
about it a little bit.” (Laughter) She said, “You’re like the worst
vulnerability role model ever.” (Laughter) Then I looked at her and I said something that at the time felt a little dramatic, but ended up being
more prophetic than dramatic. “If 500 turns into 1,000 or 2,000, my life is over.” (Laughter) I had no contingency plan
for four million. (Laughter) And my life did end when that happened. And maybe the hardest part
about my life ending is that I learned something
hard about myself, and that was that, as much as I would be frustrated about not being able to get
my work out to the world, there was a part of me
that was working very hard to engineer staying small, staying right under the radar. But I want to talk
about what I’ve learned. There’s two things
that I’ve learned in the last year. The first is: vulnerability is not weakness. And that myth is profoundly dangerous. Let me ask you honestly — and I’ll give you this warning, I’m trained as a therapist, so I can out-wait you uncomfortably — so if you could just raise your hand
that would be awesome — how many of you honestly, when you’re thinking about doing
or saying something vulnerable think, “God, vulnerability is weakness.” How many of you think of vulnerability
and weakness synonymously? The majority of people. Now let me ask you this question: This past week at TED, how many of you,
when you saw vulnerability up here, thought it was pure courage? Vulnerability is not weakness. I define vulnerability as emotional risk, exposure, uncertainty. It fuels our daily lives. And I’ve come to the belief — this is my 12th year
doing this research — that vulnerability is our most accurate
measurement of courage — to be vulnerable,
to let ourselves be seen, to be honest. One of the weird things that’s happened
is, after the TED explosion, I got a lot of offers to speak
all over the country — everyone from schools and parent meetings to Fortune 500 companies. And so many of the calls went like this, “Dr. Brown, we loved your TED talk. We’d like you to come in and speak. We’d appreciate it if you wouldn’t mention
vulnerability or shame.” (Laughter) What would you like for me to talk about? There’s three big answers. This is mostly, to be honest with you,
from the business sector: innovation, creativity and change. (Laughter) So let me go on the record and say, vulnerability is the birthplace
of innovation, creativity and change. (Applause) To create is to make something
that has never existed before. There’s nothing more vulnerable than that. Adaptability to change
is all about vulnerability. The second thing, in addition to really
finally understanding the relationship between
vulnerability and courage, the second thing I learned, is this: We have to talk about shame. And I’m going to be
really honest with you. When I became a “vulnerability researcher” and that became the focus
because of the TED talk — and I’m not kidding. I’ll give you an example. About three months ago,
I was in a sporting goods store buying goggles and shin guards and all the things that parents buy
at the sporting goods store. About from a hundred feet away,
this is what I hear: “Vulnerability TED! Vulnerability TED!” (Laughter) (Laughter ends) I’m a fifth-generation Texan. Our family motto is “Lock and load.” I am not a natural
vulnerability researcher. So I’m like, just keep walking, she’s on my six. (Laughter) And then I hear, “Vulnerability TED!” I turn around, I go, “Hi.” She’s right here and she said, “You’re the shame researcher
who had the breakdown.” (Laughter) At this point, parents are, like,
pulling their children close. (Laughter) “Look away.” And I’m so worn out
at this point in my life, I look at her and I actually say, “It was a fricking spiritual awakening.” (Laughter) (Applause) And she looks back and does this, “I know.” (Laughter) And she said, “We watched your TED talk in my book club. Then we read your book
and we renamed ourselves ‘The Breakdown Babes.'” (Laughter) And she said, “Our tagline is: ‘We’re falling apart
and it feels fantastic.'” (Laughter) You can only imagine what it’s like
for me in a faculty meeting. (Sighs) So when I became Vulnerability TED, like an action figure — Like Ninja Barbie,
but I’m Vulnerability TED — I thought, I’m going to leave
that shame stuff behind, because I spent six years studying shame before I started writing
and talking about vulnerability. And I thought, thank God,
because shame is this horrible topic, no one wants to talk about it. It’s the best way to shut
people down on an airplane. “What do you do?” “I study shame.” “Oh.” (Laughter) And I see you. (Laughter) But in surviving this last year, I was reminded of a cardinal rule — not a research rule, but a moral imperative
from my upbringing — “you’ve got to dance
with the one who brung ya”. And I did not learn about vulnerability and courage and creativity and innovation from studying vulnerability. I learned about these things
from studying shame. And so I want to walk you in to shame. Jungian analysts call shame
the swampland of the soul. And we’re going to walk in. And the purpose is not to walk in and construct a home and live there. It is to put on some galoshes — and walk through and find our way around. Here’s why. We heard the most compelling call ever
to have a conversation in this country, and I think globally, around race, right? Yes? We heard that. Yes? Cannot have that conversation
without shame. Because you cannot talk about race
without talking about privilege. And when people start
talking about privilege, they get paralyzed by shame. We heard a brilliant simple solution
to not killing people in surgery, which is, have a checklist. You can’t fix that problem
without addressing shame, because when they teach
those folks how to suture, they also teach them
how to stitch their self-worth to being all-powerful. And all-powerful folks
don’t need checklists. And I had to write down
the name of this TED Fellow so I didn’t mess it up here. Myshkin Ingawale, I hope I did right by you. (Applause) I saw the TED Fellows my first day here. And he got up and he explained
how he was driven to create some technology to help test for anemia, because people were dying unnecessarily. And he said, “I saw this need. So you know what I did? I made it.” And everybody just burst into applause,
and they were like “Yes!” And he said, “And it didn’t work. (Laughter) And then I made it 32 more times, and then it worked.” You know what the big secret about TED is? I can’t wait to tell people this. I guess I’m doing it right now. (Laughter) This is like the failure conference. (Laughter) No, it is. (Applause) You know why this place is amazing? Because very few people here
are afraid to fail. And no one who gets on the stage,
so far that I’ve seen, has not failed. I’ve failed miserably, many times. I don’t think the world understands that, because of shame. There’s a great quote
that saved me this past year by Theodore Roosevelt. A lot of people refer to it
as the “Man in the Arena” quote. And it goes like this: “It is not the critic who counts. It is not the man who sits and points out how the doer of deeds
could have done things better and how he falls and stumbles. The credit goes to the man in the arena whose face is marred
with dust and blood and sweat. But when he’s in the arena, at best, he wins, and at worst, he loses, but when he fails, when he loses, he does so daring greatly.” And that’s what this conference,
to me, is about. Life is about daring greatly,
about being in the arena. When you walk up to that arena
and you put your hand on the door, and you think, “I’m going in
and I’m going to try this,” shame is the gremlin who says, “Uh, uh. You’re not good enough. You never finished that MBA.
Your wife left you. I know your dad really
wasn’t in Luxembourg, he was in Sing Sing. I know those things
that happened to you growing up. I know you don’t think that you’re pretty, smart,
talented or powerful enough. I know your dad never paid attention,
even when you made CFO.” Shame is that thing. And if we can quiet it down and walk in and say, “I’m going to do this,” we look up and the critic
that we see pointing and laughing, 99 percent of the time is who? Us. Shame drives two big tapes — “never good enough” — and, if you can talk it out of that one, “who do you think you are?” The thing to understand
about shame is, it’s not guilt. Shame is a focus on self,
guilt is a focus on behavior. Shame is “I am bad.” Guilt is “I did something bad.” How many of you, if you did something
that was hurtful to me, would be willing to say,
“I’m sorry. I made a mistake?” How many of you would be
willing to say that? Guilt: I’m sorry. I made a mistake. Shame: I’m sorry. I am a mistake. There’s a huge difference
between shame and guilt. And here’s what you need to know. Shame is highly, highly correlated with addiction, depression,
violence, aggression, bullying, suicide, eating disorders. And here’s what you even
need to know more. Guilt, inversely correlated
with those things. The ability to hold something
we’ve done or failed to do up against who we want to be
is incredibly adaptive. It’s uncomfortable, but it’s adaptive. The other thing you need
to know about shame is it’s absolutely organized by gender. If shame washes over me
and washes over Chris, it’s going to feel the same. Everyone sitting in here knows
the warm wash of shame. We’re pretty sure that the only people
who don’t experience shame are people who have no capacity
for connection or empathy. Which means, yes, I have a little shame; no, I’m a sociopath. So I would opt for, yes,
you have a little shame. Shame feels the same for men and women, but it’s organized by gender. For women, the best example I can give you
is Enjoli, the commercial. “I can put the wash on the line,
pack the lunches, hand out the kisses and be at work at five to nine. I can bring home the bacon,
fry it up in the pan and never let you forget you’re a man.” For women, shame is, do it all, do it perfectly and never let them see you sweat. I don’t know how much perfume
that commercial sold, but I guarantee you, it moved a lot of antidepressants
and anti-anxiety meds. (Laughter) Shame, for women, is this web of unobtainable, conflicting,
competing expectations about who we’re supposed to be. And it’s a straight-jacket. For men, shame is not a bunch of competing,
conflicting expectations. Shame is one, do not be perceived as what? Weak. I did not interview men
for the first four years of my study. It wasn’t until a man looked at me
after a book signing, and said, “I love what say about shame, I’m curious why you didn’t mention men.” And I said, “I don’t study men.” And he said, “That’s convenient.” (Laughter) And I said, “Why?” And he said, “Because
you say to reach out, tell our story, be vulnerable. But you see those books you just signed
for my wife and my three daughters?” I said, “Yeah.” “They’d rather me die
on top of my white horse than watch me fall down. When we reach out and be vulnerable, we get the shit beat out of us. And don’t tell me it’s from the guys
and the coaches and the dads. Because the women in my life
are harder on me than anyone else.” So I started interviewing men
and asking questions. And what I learned is this: You show me a woman
who can actually sit with a man in real vulnerability and fear, I’ll show you a woman
who’s done incredible work. You show me a man who can sit with a woman who’s just had it, she can’t do it all anymore, and his first response is not, “I unloaded the dishwasher!” (Laughter) But he really listens — because that’s all we need — I’ll show you a guy
who’s done a lot of work. Shame is an epidemic in our culture. And to get out from underneath it — to find our way back to each other, we have to understand how it affects us and how it affects
the way we’re parenting, the way we’re working,
the way we’re looking at each other. Very quickly, some research
by Mahalik at Boston College. He asked, what do women need to do
to conform to female norms? The top answers in this country: nice, thin, modest and use all available
resources for appearance. (Laughter) When he asked about men, what do men in this country need to do
to conform with male norms, the answers were: always show emotional control, work is first, pursue status and violence. If we’re going to find
our way back to each other, we have to understand and know empathy, because empathy’s the antidote to shame. If you put shame in a Petri dish, it needs three things
to grow exponentially: secrecy, silence and judgment. If you put the same amount in a Petri dish
and douse it with empathy, it can’t survive. The two most powerful words
when we’re in struggle: me too. And so I’ll leave you with this thought. If we’re going to find our way
back to each other, vulnerability is going to be that path. And I know it’s seductive
to stand outside the arena, because I think I did it my whole life, and think to myself, I’m going to go in there and kick some ass when I’m bulletproof and when I’m perfect. And that is seductive. But the truth is, that never happens. And even if you got
as perfect as you could and as bulletproof as you
could possibly muster when you got in there, that’s not what we want to see. We want you to go in. We want to be with you
and across from you. And we just want, for ourselves and the people we care about and the people we work with, to dare greatly. So thank you all very much.
I really appreciate it. (Applause)

55 thoughts on “Listening to shame | Brené Brown”

  1. Thank you so much! I'm sharing this with my adult children now. You've done a lot of good with this talk!

  2. Was sort of on the fence until she made the comment about how men feel. Now I love her. Jezus, finally, a woman who understands how much we suffer. I'm so fucking sick of our current culture talking about how easy men have it. Is that why we're killing ourselves in droves? When she commented on how men suffer it gave so much more weight and credibility for me as a man, on how much women suffer. Now I trust her, and now I want to buy her book.

  3. I am feeling shame because I did ridiculous and unfair things last time I get drunk and I am now compelled to stay alone in my room.

  4. At 9:03 those are the same people that ask how are you? You tell them the truth( problems you have) and they nod and slowly walk away. 🙄 Like you asked. I'm just being honest.

  5. I love how she talks about the differences in experiences between men and women. I see it in my family and in my own life – I feel like I spend so much time trying to conform to the expectations I have of what I 'should' be as a woman, that I hold back on achieving and striving towards goals that would be quite clear and obvious to a man i.e. career attainment, hard work. Because I don't feel strong enough, I don't feel brave enough, and I feel like the effort required to do so would detract from other aspects of my life e.g. appearance, health, social 'butterfly-dom'. The struggle to do what is right but also hold all the other balls up in the air as well has got too much for me in the past and led to some really catastrophically destructive behaviour and low self esteem.

    On the flip-side, I see that men are faced with their own different and unique set of problems. It's hard for all of us, dammit!

  6. This is just SO REFRESHING to hear and watch. I am just sick of the narcissistic BS that is around at the moment. THANK YOU.

  7. Warning: Do not listen to Brene Brown while driving. I cried or almost cried at least 18x. I cried from laughing, I cried from truth, I cried from realizations. This is so invoking of spirit and truth and profound. I resonate with this so much. I have been shamed since before I could even talk and it disabled me until recently when I realized that I had the power to choose no longer to let the shame control me. I stumbled upon this TED talk by divine intervention and I am so grateful because it came to me at the perfect time to propel me forward into my own greatness. Thank you!

  8. What a bunch of crap. Shame is a functional mechanism with a basis in evolutionary necessity, just like fear, anger, guilt, jeaslousy, and all the other 'negative' emotions. They're all there for a reason. We have those emotions because we need them. Pain might not be pleasant, but it is useful, functional, and necessary. It communicates something. It draws your attention to a problem that needs fixing. Shame is the ego-pain that guides your behavior. I am ashamed to be a smoker because it is a problem. I am ashamed to be fat because it is not healthy. I am ashamed that I cheated on my girlfriend when I was 17 because it is a dishonorable character flaw. Shame is a functional behavioral regulation mechanism. I am a better man because I listen to my shame and let it guide me like a compass. My shame of cheating on that girl made me never cheat on anyone again. My shame of being a smoker motivated me to smoke less, and stop smoking. My shame of being fat motivated me to lose weight. My shame of not being in shape made me get into shape. I was ashamed that I stole my mother's money, so I told her and gave her the money back. Listening to shame is necessary for self-development, growth, and self-improvement. Shame is a compass for our character.

    To demonize shame as a bad thing to ignore, is to stop all critical self-reflection needed for self-development, improvement and growth, all to protect the vulnerable ego from the uncomfortable truths of scritical self-reflection.

  9. Awesome Ted talk, many men have had issue with shame in their past including myself. Appearing strong all the time is a unrealistic standard placed on men. Many suffer in silence until they eventually do fall from the horse, which is frowned upon, hence shame. Hang in there fellas it ok to be vulnerable every once in a while.

  10. This is very good. One thing is strange, though: I am a woman, and I suffer from the "male" kind of shame. As you were describing the female kind, it wasn't resonating, and I was getting a bit concerned. Then when you sadi the male one, AHA! there it was. That's what I have. It seems to have come from my specific kinds early childhood emotional traumas.
    In any case I am watching this again, because I need to work through this in order to live a healthier life.

  11. Oprah is a Lesbian and paid Gail Kings husband money to leave her so she could be with her. Extremely shameful if you asked me. # FACTS

  12. This amount of dislikes… are these made by german speaking people, just because the subtitles aren't perfectly synchronized? I'm asking, because the things she's talking about are presented in an easy understanding language/style and it seems to be a very good way for so many, to come in contact again with their own emotions – and i can't understand why the amount of down votes is that high…

  13. "Jungian analysts call shame 'the swampland of the soul'". Took me the longest time – and a Google search! – to figure out what she was saying. Carl Jung actually said that; that's why Jungian analysts say that, BTW. 🙂

  14. My birth WAS a mistake; my mother was 41, a newlywed, and thought both that she was too old to get pregnant (she was very naive about her body!) and that my dad was sterile (he'd been married 3 times and had no children). I had 4 half-siblings, ranging in age from 9 to 18 when I was born. Both parents were mentally ill. My dad had, among other things, bipolar disorder and narcissism; my mother had borderline personality disorder, major depression, and a big basketful of neuroses. They sealed my fate by deciding that, no matter what, I was going to have a happy childhood – without actually discussing what that meant to them. I grew up feeling shame when I demonstrated ANY emotion other than happiness, even as they denied me opportunities to learn skills and discover abilities, develop them, and gain confidence and a sense of accomplishment and competence. I'm having to do that now, at 57 (as of 8/13/19), and it SUCKS. But I now know that I'm here for a reason, and the circumstances of my birth, early childhood, and youth (which was spent in a stepfamily that was an utter nightmare) don't define me. Thanks to this woman, my faith in God, and my growing faith in myself, I'm beginning to live rather than just exist and survive.

  15. Does not the MeToo# movement simply move the shame of the "victim"; towards the "aggressor(s)?
    Is that not the same thing?

    It makes me think of the law surrounding the transference of energy; in that energy is neither created, nor destroyed; it is simply transferred or transformed.

    It's like taking the shame of one group; and placing onto another.

    Since we know that shame exists; and that it will likely always exist, I feel it's better to put that shame onto something that can handle it.

  16. This video really helped me get over my self-imposed limitations. Since hearing this I embrace the strength that comes from my vulnerability!! It scares me shytless but definitely works!!!!!!!

  17. 『恥への恐怖で自分と他人を縛っていないか?それをまず知ること』が『恥を知れ』だったら、もっと優しい世界になれそう(о´∀`о)

  18. Actually I'd like to say I never thought of vunerabilty as weakness ever I saw it as a powerful tool to connect with other human beings 😊the power in the connection it can create between people to not be afraid to feel and express all of who you are I mean each to their own but I really believe it makes a huge impact in the world and upon society

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