Earthship Seminar 2009 (DVD I) – Earthship Szeminárium

Earthship Seminar 2009 (DVD I) – Earthship Szeminárium

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Tomorrow is… the… largely the systems. The water…
water, sewage and power. All that are… they
are all interrelated, so that’s why I talk about
them all at the same time. Today is the basic
structure which is… totally integrated with
the heating and cooling, and in fact, integrated
with the systems as well. So I mean the.. a way
to look at this is… These are machines. They’re not, you know… they’re their
shelters, their homes, their houses whatever you want to call
them in terms of that, but… they’re machines and they’re…
they’re… the look of them and the structure of
them and everything about them is… a result of what it
takes to encounter the… natural phenomena on the planet that
are gonna provide what you need. In other words… if you’re gonna catch water, obviously,
you’re not gonna do a roof like this, you’re gonna do a roof like this.
And the… the same for the thermal,
solar, electric, everything. So in that, they’re machine…
an easy way for me to… to explain it to myself is… It’s much like the human body. The human body is a
circulatory system… a nervous system, a digestive system,
a respiratory system, all of these systems are in the human body.
You can’t just… apply these systems to the
human body, the look… of the human body is really a result…
of the systems. And these buildings are
pretty much that way, so… You know, you can’t say: ‘Well, I
want my respiratory system on my leg.’ or something like that, you know…
*small laugther*It’s not gonna work out. And
it’s almost that ridiculous. People… you know, people tell us:
‘We really like this concept and… but we want… this
here and that there.’ It’s not that easy to do that. It’s the machine and…
and the… the… understanding of the encounter with the
natural phenomenon is what designs it. I don’t really design this
machine, I’m just finding it. I’m finding how it works. We’re finding
more… we’ve been doing this… I’ve been doing this for…
40 years, I guess. And each year, it keeps evolving more. It’s we’re just now scratching the
surface of what is really possible in terms of encountering
the natural phenomena. And… So, the relationship of these buildings to
the human body is a good way to look at it because in it causes you
to understand why… you can’t really have your particular
design and then apply these things. So, today we’ll get into the structure
which involves the heating and cooling. And the first, the component
of heating and cooling… is… thermal mass. And a
lot of people don’t really, even architects and engineers, really
don’t realize what thermal mass is. The way I look at it… The book ‘Comfort
in Any Climate’ goes into it, but… If you have a chunk of matter, two chunks of matter… one is mass and one is insulation,
and there’s a big difference. In mass, it’s dense. The molecules are really tightly packed.
That’s what creates density. And because they’re tightly packed,
temperature just can move through it. Passing from one to the next,
to the next, to the next. So, it’s like… it’s very dense. Insulation is just the opposite. Insulation
is a bunch of air spaces, really. Created in a lot of different ways by weird
materials or natural materials, but… what happens with insulation is, unlike mass, that they’ll let just
temperature pass right through it, and if you trap it with insulation,
then it get stored in it. Insulation stops it, you can’t… the temperature, whether
it’s cold or hot, doesn’t… It has a hard time
traveling, very far. So, insulation really blocks the
movement of temperature and mass… allows it to just go in like
water going into a barrel, really. So, if this is a dense chunk of mass
temperature can go right into it. And so these buildings,
so, if you… if you take a dense chunk of mass then, and insulate three sides
of it, and… subject one side of it to a temperature
influx, be it cold or hot, it’s just gonna go in
here and can’t go out, because of the insulation, so you’re
trapping it. Very much like… water being caught in a barrel,
temperature is caught in mass. So that’s the… That’s the… the building blocks
of these buildings. And so… the ideal walls in would
have mass AND insulation. That’s the difference between this and straw
bale. Straw bale construction is great… method of building, because
it’s using a renewable product. But it’s only insulation, so it
doesn’t store the temperature. And an example of storing
the temperature is like if you take a… a cast iron skillet or a…
and a tin pan, both. And put them on the stove at the same time. The heavy, dense, cast iron skillet
gets hot, the tin pan gets hot. Turn the stove off, and really,
less than in a minute later, The tin pan is cooling down. 5-10 minutes later the iron skillet
will still burn your hand. That’s the example right their of…
mass storing… energy. And so, that’s… the thing
that we determined decades ago that you should build buildings out of.
Now, you couple that with the fact… So we were looking for a
massive way to build. Early, in the early days, they were
using… water is a very dense mass, So, they were using
drums filled with water, we actually did some water can houses, adobe, stone… but, we were at the
same time… responding to a… the… The garbage situation on the planet. And we were building buildings
out of beer cans before we even stumbled in to this mass thing.
The mass thing kind of came out from the physicists… in the early 70’s. When we had the first…
hint of an energy crisis. And people were all, all the engineers and scientists
were trying to build mass in houses. We were already fooling around with
building houses out of beer cans. So… we looked around and what else there
was a lot of on this planet? And it was tires. And we
started stuffing dirt into tires, and than beating it into tires,
and so you have a… a tyre, that is a steel-belted rubber casing,
and you beat it full of earth, you have a 2,5 ft(~76 cm)thick, chunk
of mass in cased in steel-belted rubber, the material that you’re
using is dirt which is everywhere. Tires are really everywhere, tires
are indigenous to the entire planet. If you came here from
another planet… and saw all the tyre piles and the tires,
you think they grew here just like trees.*giggle*And in fact, they do. I mean, we’ve
been everywhere. Bolivia, India… Everywhere we go, they’ve got tires.
Just like they have trees. So… They have actually a problem with tires.
You never hear anybody saying: ‘There are too many trees!’ but… you do hear people saying: ‘There
are too many tires!’ And ‘Too many people!’ probably, but… Anyway, so tires are indigenous
to the entire planet, they are a great, massive way to build.
They are low-tech, they don’t require equipment, they
require very little training, So when you… When
we were trying to… evolve a method of building
of a mass building, we stumbled onto this really and… That was 30 years ago and we really haven’t
found anything better. In other words… If I found some better way to
achieve a massive structure, I would use it immediately.
But I haven’t. So we… and when you… when you put all
of these criteria together, it’s really almost unbeatable. The fact that they are indigenous to
the entire planet, that it’s low-tech, that it’s getting rid of something
that we… have a problem with, that it is structurally super. I don’t know, if Kirsten showed
you the cement truck, loaded, driving onto the tyre wall last night.
It’s superstructure, and it’s very good for earthquake
because it’s resilient. And it’s like I say: it’s mass.
It’s mass that stores temperature. So that’s what we started in the old days, building this ‘U’-s,
very much like that, and out of tires, and admitting the sun from the south, and… we had… …that’s
what this building really is. This building is a… I don’t know… 12-14 years old, or something like that,
or more. It’s out of date, really. But it’s still… in terms of taking
care of you, keeping you alive, it can produce… food, some… it
produces water, produces power, and it stays pretty much
this temperature year around. We open windows at the front and
skylights at the back for cooling a little bit, we’ve
refined that radically now. We obviously get the heat from
the south and this a tyre wall. The shelf is actually the mesa floor
So, it’s only tires from their up, and the earth shelf is
just plastered earth cliff. All the way around onto there,
and that’s a floor on tyre wall. But this room is like a
really good example of just like the early, simple,
method of doing this. And we just buried it,
put good insulation on it. I’ll get into the roof, slopes and all
of that more with water, tomorrow. But you can see that this room is
designed by… the phenomena. We need the sun, the sun is from the south. The sun is not from the north,
or the east or the west, the major heating sun is from the south,
so the building opens up to the south, and it’s a pocket
that stores temperature. And… so, that’s the early
rationale for how these were built, the material to build them out of.
And it’s like always if… When you… when we look
at the tyre situation, we’re killing a lot of
birds with one stone. We’re getting rid of a
product, that’s a problem. And we’re providing us the
building material that is, like I say, indigenous
to the entire planet, and it’s low-tech and people
can learn how to do it. When… when it addresses that many
issues, it starts to have… extreme validity, let’s say. So… the… The component that we’re
doing these with is a mass component that has all these other attributes.
Like I said, If… If I’ve found something better, I would be
using it in a heartbeat. But I haven’t. So, then we… we bury in, and this building is
a good example of that. Well… Then we’ve ran into a… You know, this is just the
structural thermal side of this. The power, water and sewage side
of it even gets more complicated in terms of what we’ve ran into.
We’ve ran into a… like an extreme situation, a room like this could
get down to 60°(F~15,5 °C)And… I was fine with that, you know…
60°(F~15,5 °C)with no fuel, whatsoever, when it’s like -20 °F(~-29°C)outside,
I’m like… That’s a success story to me. I actually got sued because there is a…
there’s…. a regulation, let’s call it, in the… in the codes, that says that: ’41 inches(~104 cm)of the floor,
a building has to stay 73°(F~23°C)day,
night, winter, summer.’ That’s a regulation, that’s in the codes. And… of course, all buildings
are set up to do that that’s the way the engineers
designed the heating systems. And… what they don’t really…
what they haven’t faced there… is that if the electricity
goes off or the gas goes off… that 73°(F ~23 °C)goes away. But as long as the electricity is
running and the gas is running, they can maintain that, and engineers
design buildings that way, and… So, I’ve found myself in a
whole different realm here… Okay, I can’t maintain
73°(F~23 °C). I can keep it between 60(~15,5 °C)
and 80(~26,6 °C)with no fuel! And so, I had to get to court, and… I’d
tried to explain that to the judge, I said: I’d tried to explain that to the judge, I said: ‘You know, what if the power goes off, the electricity goes off
and the gas goes off, that 73°(F~23 °C)is gonna
drop drastically.’ You know, in certain cases
like in Maine a few years ago, the… the line… the ice was on
the lines, broke the lines… People were without power and there
toilet bowels were freezing, they were gathering together in a… gymnasiums and armories and
things like that… with forced heaters, propane
heaters just to stay warm, the houses were worthless, not usable. So I said, you know: ‘Your
Honor, what if the… if the power goes off
and the gas goes off, that 73°(F~23 °C)is
not gonna happen. Here… yeah, we have a lower temperature 60°(15,5°C)as a low and 80°(26,6°C)as a high, but it’s gonna be there, no matter what.’
Judge didn’t buy it. So I got fined, and everything…
So, what that causes to do… was… and that’s the kind of… there’s
so many things like that have happened… The judge in that case, this was… I don’t know, 6 or 8… 8 or
9 years ago, may be, but… The judge just wasn’t even willing
to talk about the possibility of the power failing or the
gas not being available. So, you know, we were wrong, we were find. So anyway, that caused us to take this very
simple thing, and make it more complex. And it did make it cost a little more, but, in a way, was a good
thing because now we can… we can… the corner cottage building,
which will on be the tour, I don’t know who’s staying at now, but… In it… is pretty much
new off the line, not even totally, totally
finished in terms of landscaping. And it’s obsolete. But that’s what, you know,
happens, I mean like… We’re… It’s evolving really fast. And
because we’re just keep learning more. We probably… We’re using the corner cottage design for
the new education facility next door that the governor’s paying for. That’s an interesting
situation right there, because when I got more and more trouble
with these regulations… and… They took my license in New-Mexico 5 or 6
or 7 years ago, something like that… And then… A year ago the
governor gave me 300 grand to build a building to illustrate this stuff.
So it’s like: ‘What am I doing wrong here
or what am I doing right?’ Whatever…*laughter*I call it getting served shit and
peanut butter on the same plate.*laughter*But the… And it’s always that way.*laughter*So… anyway, as a result of that we… The corner cottage pretty much…
if you… you know, There’s a little, tiny bit of
education in how to run it. But if you run it right,
and it’s very little to know, Corner cottage stays 73°(F~23
°C)
pretty much. I’d say…. may be it as low as 70(~21°C), may be as
high as 75(~24°C), or something like that. But anyway it takes that range of temperature that used to
be 60(~15,5°C)to 80(~26,6°C), and brings it real close to the law. And of course now, a judge would say…
A judge would agree with me now. They would say, you know, if
you can keep this building… you know, within 8… or so degrees
of 73(F~23 °C)without fuel! Then at is a success story. But 10 or so years ago
they weren’t buying that. And so we… but it what it is launch
us into taking this… ‘science’, let’s call it, a little further. So
like the… the early sections then. What I’m getting in to do is to understand
why these designs are the way they are, and… Because, you know, people come here to ?
or build these for a living, to build for themselves, to share
the information, whatever. And it’s really important to
know why we’re doing, we’re not just doing these because
they look cute or whatever. We’re doing them this because… we keep founding more and more
ways to fine tune this encounter with natural phenomena.
We’re encountering the sun and we’re encountering the thermal
mass that’s in the earth. *cough*
And the thermal mass concept. So what we have then is a… a section, we used to just have the
tires, you know, stacked up, and… and here we have a roof
like this and like that. We’ve evolved out of
that due to the… I’ll talk more about that
in the water situation. This is the angle in this building, this is the angle of the winter sun
to bring the winter sun in here. And even on corner cottage I
believe we still have this. We do this roof slope to let the
sun melt snow before it evaporates. But we’ve evolved out of that. So, this was our configuration 10
years ago, well the configuration…nowhas evolved, we’ve got a way to melt the
water with the sun. So now… See, this makes details and expanse. So now… the newer designs which we
call the ‘global design’, is… a… Yeah, thanks. The newer design is… a roof is one configuration, one line.
That’s obviously cheaper. Has a green house here, and this
building, see, has a green house, but it has also got
a green house here, glass. And… so what that means we’re into
this thing now we call internal space. Because out here it can be -30(F~-34°C),
in this first green house, which you’ll see it corner cottage
and in the Phoenix and in even the the global models now, it could get down to 45
(F=7°C)or 50(F=10°C)in here. But this is for plants, not people. But
people do hang out there a lot of the time. Then the internal space,
this becomes a buffer zone. For… between the outside
space and the internal space, people hang out in here and… they are not subject. You know, this
buffer zone protects them. It’s like a… You rationalize it or, you know, it’s
square footage you have to pay for it. But it grows plants, it treats sewage,
creates more roof space to catch more water and becomes a buffer zone
between you and the outside. We even have some where we have
gone which have one more, outside. So there’s two buffer zones. If in extreme situations. The Phoenix
illustrates that a little. We do… We play with all kinds of
extremes here, this is a good place to develop this
kind of buildings because… we do get seriously cold here, sub-zero, you know, if you’re talking
in Fahrenheit 30-35 below(-34,-37 °C). And we get up ’til 105(F=40 °C). So we
have to make the buildings cool and warm. But mass is what does that. So… Now we do one… so we have taken
just this simple thing and made it… a little more fine tuned with all
of this, quite a bit more actually, of course, there’s a super
insulation on the roof and… it turns out that these
ventilation skylights are… in the winter, that’s a cold draft
coming down from there no matter how… …tight you seal it. And so we’re trying to buy every degree
that we can, so we took them out, And we put them into
the green house now. And you’ll see this on… Kirsten to point this out on
the tour, but look for it. Now, we have tubes coming
through the burial that…. This is called a… this is… This is just been evolved in the
last year so in getting better. What happens is in this green house,
it gets intensively hot up here. And that heat wants to rise and we
have a skylight to let it rise, to let it escape and the hotter it
is the faster it goes out of there. When it leaves you can have a vacuum,
so it’s gonna create a suction. And what it does then
is it sucks air… through… these tubes. And these tubes are
buried in the burial So… It’s almost… I think the
physicists call it a convection… …engine. Convection
driven air movement. No fans, nothing. But
there is air moving. And… We just did one up in
Miles city, Montana. It was 105… It didn’t have
the double green house, there’s a third green
house at the double It was a 105(40 °C)
outside, 71(22°C)inside. And that would have
made the law happy.*laughter*You know, people would’ve
sat around this at lunch because they’re coming in from
working outside in 105°(40°C)and sat around these tubes and put their
bottles of water in and all kinds of stuff. You could see it was working.
And this is with no fuel! So now, we have taken this configuration
that we got busted for a decade or so ago, and taken it further, further… removed the heat loss of the skylight
created even better ventilation, and… done one more thing. We… We do now what we call a thermal
wrap, and you can see this… I think… We’ve got one under construction, called
the global, across from the corner cottage, Thermal wrap is… we take rigid insulation and go out
another 3 ft(~92 cm)from the tires. And so now… This, we have trapped more actual
earth mass to work with the tires. The tires become the
structure and mass, but we’re adding another
3 ft(~92 cm)to that mass by isolating it away
from the cooler earth. Because, see, it’s the cool earth
that cools off this air. This air goes through the
earth and cools off, well in the winter time
when we plug these and the frigid air goes down
into the earth 3 or 4 ft(92 or 121 cm)but it can’t get through
this insulation. So now, there’s close to 6-7 ft(182-213
cm)
of mass that belongs to this space. And… the way that works in a…
It’s an actual… I do observe laws of physics, I don’t
really observe other laws*laughter*
But… Laws of physics, I call
unarguable and… You know, you can’t argue with the
sun. It’s gonna do what it’s gonna do. But anyway, a law of physics is
that heat moves to the cooler place. Not vice versa. So what happens is…
when… warm air in the winter, say, it’s
coming through these green houses It heats up this air space
when this mass space is cooler. So the heat leaks into it. And it just stores it because it’s trapped
by this insulation, this thermal wrap. So this warm air in the space leaks into
the walls due to the law of physics. Well, what happens then is… people have… that stay and we have this
nightly rentals that… we use, that’s kind of a… It was an accident because,
see, the early days Kirsten probably showed you some
of the early buildings looked like they
landed and whatever… Not marketable buildings. So, I had a bunch of these unmarketable
buildings, people wanted to look at them, stay in them, but didn’t… certainly didn’t want to buy them,
and if they did want to buy them the banks wouldn’t even
consider it anyway. So, I’m here, I am stuck with mortgage
payments on a bunch of weird buildings. And I had to… so, I started to rent
them at night to people, and that turned out to save me
from going bankrupt, basically. And… so now we do it, but…
We do it now to… to show people, to give people the
experience of living in these because… lot of people think if you’re gonna be
sustainable or green or whatever… you’re in a teepee[indian
tent]
out of the desert. But they don’t realize that you
can have flat screen TV and… high speed internet and all
kinds of goodies, normal life. So, anyway… the people that
stay in the nightly rentals, would come to us and say:
‘What the hell is going on?’ We go to bed at winter, we went to bed and put
blankets on and… you know, the sun went down and
the air space got cool so you know, we went to
bed and put blankets on… not… It wasn’t cold but it was cool enough
in the winter to have blanket on. And at midnight, at 1 o’clock they
wake up and kicked the blankets off and they said: ‘It’s like a heating
system is coming on or you got something you’re not telling us?
Or whatever?’ So, what’s going on is… And they’ve told us that
in many ways, I mean… They’ve come and actually
said: ‘What is going on?’ ‘It felt like a heating system
what’s coming on at midnight.’ So… what is in fact going on is… The sun goes down, the air
space in this internal space, the warmth cools down, you know, from heat loss
through both glass phases It’s slowed down by this,
but it still cools off. And eventually in the
middle of the night, this space gets down to may be…
69°(~20,5°C)or something, while the walls are stored
up at may be 73°(~23°C), and in it’s this few degrees
different but that’s what it takes. May be, this even gets… the air space… the air temperature can
even drop to 67(~19°C), or whatever… It’s still lower than the
temperature in the wall So because of physics, the
air starts to leaking out. It’s just like turning furnace on.
The minute this air space gets… lower in temperature then the massive wall,
and there’s a tremendous amount of mass in the 7 ft(~213 cm)thick wall, all
way around your building… The heat starts leaking out.
And it just heats up the space. And… So, that just keeps going off and on.
Natural phenomena! We keep… you know… so you can
see from this building here… how we… you know, we had to handle on it
on the very beginning decades ago. But how it’s refined in
many, many ways now, so… We can keep the space in
something like the corner cottage, and it’d be like 73°(~23°C)… And I would say between
70(~21°C)and 75(~24°C)is worth largely were hangs
it’d make it up a little higher, a little lower, but it’s close enough
now, much closer than this building. And so… that has become… See, this tube thing, We… just… we’d been doing it
on the tropics, we did it in… India, and Hawaii… Nicaragua… We did… we started doing it in tropics,
we weren’t even doing it here. But… we started doing it just
to cool off in the summers here. And we started doing it here
really to create ventilation, without heat loss in the winter.
And then we started seeing that totally cool air were just
moving through the building. So this refinement, this is really
in the last year, year and half. The thermal mass has been around 6
or 4-5 years, something like that. I mean the thermal wrap. The thermal mass was there from the
beginning, the buffer zones… they happened in the last…
4-5 years. So, when you apply
all of these tricks, then you end up with a building that
is just gonna set there without fuel and take care of you. And in… And we have gone through
many models, they… the… you know, the earthship designs
they have what we call the ‘packaged’… and the packaged with the
double green house then evolved, which is close to
what I’m talking about now, the modular was the
circles on the ‘U’s, and then the hybrid was combination of
both, and of course, custom is custom. We can’t… no matter how
much money you have, we can… I mean, we can make a custom
building that’s all beautiful and… looks a lot more interesting, but
we can’t really make a building that works better than this one
that we call the ‘global model’ now. And now, this one… is… what we use in the tropics because it stays
cool and what we use in the extreme cold. We do take a little further, and if it’s super extreme cold
why ain’t we add another green house? And… it’s easy to justify this,
because… like I said the… the second greenhouse is…
and the third is… treating sewage, which we
are going to tomorrow… it’s… growing food, and… creating more roof space
to catch more water, creating the convection engine
to cause the ventilation, and becoming a buffer zone.
You know, it’s like tires. There are six reasons to do this. Just
like there six reasons to use tires. It’s not just one thing and that justifies
it. ‘Cause people are… you know, when you’re paying this cost in
this area $205 of ft²(~0,09 m²)That’s about what… a good economical, but good
conventional building costs here. Adobes in Santa Fe costs $300-350 a
ft²(~0,09 m²). And these are better. So, it’s in the price range with regular
buildings… in the developed world. And in many places it’s…
It’s allowed in the developed world. But it’s… one configuration now
that we’re using everywhere. We can… you know, these buildings they
aren’t obviously looking for a plan, I think they’ve got
drawings here of… the studio version, the one bedroom
version, the two bedroom version. You’ll be on a tour, you’ll be able
to see the one bedroom version of this, you’ll be able to see a three bedroom
version of this… under construction, you’ll be able to see the… the… out of date version of this
which is corner cottage. Which is really a package design
with a double greenhouse and… See, we evolved the packaged
design more than a decade ago. Just to…
to simplify this, because… what we found out was, once we started
building these kind of spaces was… still, and it’s still
true today, the most… prominent selling home,
in the United States, is those manufactured houses
that they bring in on a truck, setting on concrete blocks,
hook ’em up to the utilities and, they start falling apart immediately.
*laughter*And they pump fuel into them and
water and sewage out of them and… But they are easily
available to people. And we… then… you know, over a
decade ago started to realizing that, we have to make this available to people,
it can’t be more expensive, it can’t be… It has to be something that’s even
more available to people, because… Money talks, really, and we’re trying
evolve beyond that in a lot of ways while we’re getting
into that, but… If you’re playing with an idea
that has to be purchased then… it’s gotta be the same price as the
other things on the market. So… That manufactured housing is… what is the biggest seller
that’s what people buy, so we came up with the package
design that worked for that, and then it just had a vertical face, and the reason we call it the package
design is because it’s so simple that we could just.. we could… we could provide a kit almost that
people can just put it together, and we can make components. So we were aiming at, you know,
making this more user friendly. Because these buildings, these older ones had a lot of strange details that were… required more skills, so
we were trying to take it, so you can just
assemble this building. And they worked pretty
good, we did a lot of them, and then we added a
double greenhouse to it, and then we got rid of the
sloped roof, because… we decided that we could heat the roof with solar rather than having to
have it shaped to face the sun. And so, the packaged then evolved
into a double greenhouse package and that evolved into what we
call the global earthship. And we’ve got a lot of these
going around the world now. And… We can do one of these like we
just came back from Miles City… we’re in Montana… where
we put one up in 8 weeks. Totally turn key, everything
working, two bedroom… and so we got the time down and
we’ve got it to the point where this is a product now that
we’re ready to take out there. It does, there are six
points to these buildings most of which… half of which at
least, I’m going into tomorrow, but… they are… built where, you know…
where everybody’s looking at a… carbon-zero these days.
And… So building with recycled materials
is a huge thing, that’s… that’s part of the… rationale for using tires, but not
the only rationale, for sure… and the cans and the bottles. We were
doing that before we were doing anything. And… building buildings
out of cans just because… the media started to scream about
garbage being thrown everywhere and… 30 years ago, 40 years ago, and they…
it hasn’t stopped. So that caused… we were doing that before
the word… ‘recycling’ was even a word. So, it does, in terms of a carbon-zero
building, if you’re using a material… like tires, or bottles, or cans…
that… is taking a place of a
manufactured material, and that manufactured material
takes energy to manufacture it, you’re starting off with a material
that doesn’t have to be manufactured. There’s a double thing there. It also takes energy to do something
with the cans and tires and bottles. So… You are getting rid of that energy
because you’re using them rather than using the energy to get rid of them. When I was in Norway recently and they… they have a giant recycling
company that it’s just like… the energy that is used to recycle
all these materials is… unbelievable. Really.
And then they ship them somewhere. So… shipping… you’ve
taken a place of shipping, ’cause you’re using a product
that’s laying around, you’re taking a place of
manufacturing, ’cause you’re using a product
that’s already manufactured, and… you’re taking a place
of disposing of garbage ’cause you’re using garbage. So, there’s three ways where
these buildings start off with actually a negative
carbon foot print. When you’re going out there
and pounding dirt into tires. So, it starts off with a negative
carbon foot print because of a… building with recycled materials.
Then… Thermal solar, which is what I’ve been
talking about… heating and cooling, and… That’s… these are the major
points of these buildings. Thermal solar heating and cooling, building of recycled materials,
and then… And so the design of the buildings is… is a result of what it takes
to use recycled materials, and what it takes to achieve
thermal solar heating and cooling. And you can see how it’s evolved.
And then… Solar and wind energy, of course,
which we’ll go into tomorrow. Water from the sky, harvesting water. and… then a contained
onsite sewage… treatment. Contained sewage treatment. And…
So this is getting of you the grids, and, you know, sewage treatment isn’t
getting to be deal, because… you know, they kind of half way
treated and sewage treatment plants, which again takes the
shit lot of energy, *laughter*and… 🙂
no pun intended there. So… It takes a lot energy to treat sewage, and sewage is a valuable thing.
Sewage to me is gold. You know. It’s a compost, it’s… It’s providing energy for food
which is the sixth point. Food production.
So if we can make a building that addresses all of these issues, you know, who needs the government?*laughter*Only to hinder us from doing it.
Yeah!(Question:) Does it also
regreen?
Because the blackwater plants grow
that we normally grow that…
Yeah, like… and you’ll see, I don’t know if Kirsten had
the slideshow, but… If you get to see some
of the older earthships, There’s… I have a great picture
in one of my shows that… Shows one of the buildings here, you know,
you’ve got the barren, deserty mesa, and… It might even be in one
of these posters, but… His blackwater system, which I’ll
go into tomorrow how they work, has just gone off. It’s like a big oasis of green with
birds and owls and… creatures Living there, and then you see the
periphery, all the barren, mesa desert. And… so yeah, these buildings actually…
cause green to happen. So, and that’s because they
don’t throw their sewage away. That’s because the sewage is gold.
The sewage can give you… a green surrounding. So…*caugh*
the… The re-greening of it is
definitely an issue, but… if you’re dealing with…
so, you know… just think of this in terms of the
issues in the cities and other countries. How much… how much of
garbage problem their is. You know, New York City is taking in-out
embargoes and dumping it into the ocean. It’s being… every where I go, the first thing
they do is they take me to the dump. You know…
*laughter*And there’s mountains of
tires and bottles and… piles of refrigerators and ?
and things like that and… We’ve got ways to use all of that. I
imagine Kirsten showed you how we used the washing machine,
refrigerator panels. That’s new in the last 4 or so years…
I was in Hawaii and they… teaching… I mean talking to a…
grade school kids. And… they took me to
the dump, of course. And… It was a little island,
*(recalling the name…)*Molokai, and… They took me to the dump, and there’s
where first I got this idea was the… I’ve seen this before, but
there’s a big mountain of refrigerators, r?, washing machines,
you know, appliances that went bad. And… I was.. we had
been switching… and I’ll go into this tomorrow, our roof material to metal because
metal catches cleaner water. And… this mountain of wash machines,
you know, they all… full of these ?, yellow and
green panels of metal. And nice colors and everything. So… We… after I came on from that
trip, we went to our dump and there was sure enough a mountain
of refrigerators and r?. So the crew went out there and
we took solar array and… and a solar trailer, so we could
plug in these electric snippers, and like, if this is a panel on a washing
machine you just stab the corner of it, make a hole, take the electric
snippers and snip them in there, and you’ve got a panel. So we just go to the
dump and harvest metal, You’ll see it on, when you go to… corner cottage has got some
of it across the street… the new global house has some of it, and the Phoenix has got the best
application of it. It’s like… artwork there. As a matter
of fact, I just got a… a new 197-something Mercedes,
it was all beat up. And we… patched up the body with…
washing machine parts.*laughter*It’s beautiful! 🙂
*laughter*[Comment:] ‘It looks like pink swatches,
you know,
you can find at the paint store
– Yeah, It’s great and… We found a couple of pink inks here in
and… We really liked the pink, so…*laughter*We… paint some of the panels
pink with metal paint, but… But anyway we’re harvesting metal
now, out of the dump. For roofing. And… so every city… every city and country has… serious issues with garbage. In terms of what to do with it, and… when they do something
like Norway does with, to me, it was scary. I mean they had… they had a factory of machines
sewing up energy and… trucks hauling it after other parts
of the world and whatever… To me, that was…
That was insane. I mean, they were thought that
was a great thing, but they had such a giant recycling
situation, but I was just seeing energy used like crazy to recycle. All we’re doing is gathering
stuff from the dump. Bottles, cans, tires, cardboard… washing machine parts and we’ll
continue to find other goodies. So building with recycled
materials is not just like a… It’s a logical thing. There’s really good
materials, and in fact… I can’t find, manufactured or not,
better material than tires to build with or somebody gave me
$30 million and said: ‘Develop the best form… develop the best building material you
can find’ I’d probably invent a tyre. *laughter*So… It’s like a… It’s like
a super relevant issue… That, aside from housing or anything,
every city is dealing with. Then, of course, the energy
consumed to heat and cool homes, everybody probably knows
that the carbon… the CO2… I think… They argue, but between 30 and 50% of
the CO2 impact is from buildings. And that’s obviously, largely from
heating and cooling buildings And so… if you’re heating and
cooling buildings with thermal solar and trying to come up with little tricks
to extend that, which we’re doing… then you’re affectingthatissue that
every country and city is facing. Solar and wind for the electricity,
which again is affecting, if you’re replacing a coal fired power
plant or nuclear power plant or whatever… then you’re certainly affecting… I like we were in Normandy,
France doing one of these… They were getting ready to do two
things in the neighboring area. And they were actually putting up signs and
people marching and raising how about it… One is they were gonna
to a new landfill… for garbage, and here we are
building a building out of garbage. And two is they were
getting rid of to… they were running, they were condemning
a bunch of farms in Normandy, France, to run a big power lines down to the south
of France from a nuclear power plant. And we were building a building
that didn’t need power. And so it caused a lot of commotion and there
were 2000 people there at the building. The last day that we worked
and it caused a lot of… It caused a lot of commotion, really. They also took our crew down… in paddy wagons down to
the police station too. I ended up having to go court there. Pretty much everywhere we
get into trouble, but… Then… Harvesting water.
Water is, you know, they say, a lot of people say the next
world wars will be fought over water, if you get 7 in(~18 cm)or more of water, precipitation annually, the system’s work
I’ll go into that more fairly tomorrow… Contain sewage obviously… That’s a serious issue everywhere it’s
either going into the Upper Colorado, there are so many developments
all around in Colorado Springs, and Pueblo and Denver and everything… that, you know, housing built on 1/2
and 3/4 acre lots(~2023 and 3035 m²), some of them have septic
tanks and you basically… some of their people have told
me they walk out at back door and ground goes squish under their
feet because there’s just so much… …a serious example is… a development in California…
somewhere San… I forget where it is. Southern
California… They were… It’s an existing development, they’re
getting fund of millions of dollars a year because it’s a… several thousand homes… that are…
that’s near the ocean. And… So the homes all are sucking
water out of the aquifer, which is creating a vacuum
that’s sucking in salt water, and contaminating… the aquifer of their
wells with salt water, and on top of that they’re
putting sewage down it anyway. And so… they’re without water and sewage and
getting fined until they fix it and a… whenever we get
our systems set up there They’re still going through the
bureaucracy they’re trying do it, and that’s the big issue
these day, is… getting permission for these things.
And then… The next thing that is starting
to be an issue, it’s food. We’re see… We’re producing… this is
token here in this building, this is an old building. But the Phoenix, if you… you’ll
get to see it on the tour, And some of the other
buildings are more… about the Phoenix is really our effort to illustrate what you can
produce in terms of food, due to your treatment of sewage,
due to your buffer zone, we’re starting to produce food. The Phoenix has got…
we’re taking it to what used to be called extremes o? just to
the logical next step, in my mind… The food production at the Phoenix is… 3-4 days ago we went over there… and dropped a line in the tilapia pool,
caught a fish… cleaned it, skinned it, fried it… gathered some l? and tomatoes
and peppers and other goodies from growing in the Phoenix,
and had a great meal. So we can…
And we got lots of tilapia there now. So we are now getting… to the point where… our
objective with Phoenix is that… a family of four could stay
alive, without anything. So when you put all of this
together, we’re talking about… These are six… food and… and sewage and water
and energy and garbage or… issues that every city
in the world is facing. And we’re…
I’m not saying we’re the solution. What we’re saying is we’re
addressing each one of these issues, Sort of in a… in one blow.
Called housing. You know.
And… it’s… It’s working. We’ve been playing
with it now for decades, and keep evolving it and so on,
and… it’s like a dichotomy or something
because we’re seeing… that this works and we’re seeing
that we can make it affordable, and we can teach people how to do it,
And you know, you’re… what you should do, coming to these
seminars and being in turns and whatever… is… I’m trying to
illustrate the… the… the core thinking
of this, so that you… so that you knowwhy
these things are. They’re not really some
architect’s designs, they are… We’re finding treasure almost here. And that’s kind of what it is. We’re keep getting more
and more tricks, but… Another trick we’re
dealing with on the thermal solar heating and
cooling, for instance like in Norway, I’ve done some
work up in Norway and the… this building that is our
prototype building now, even in Norway… would be the building that we would use,
but we’d probably have another greenhouse. But there’s times when in
Norway when it’s like… you know, the sun doesn’t
shine for 7 or 8 days, it’s dark, it’s cloudy, it’s grey… Even though this building is tight and has
its thermal wrap and its buffer zones… It’s still gonna get… slightly
cooler than you wanna be. And… but the things are so tight, and so well insulated, and have so
much mass that it’s just like the… in… this is not one of the
latest buildings, but… The body heat of half of
this many people… would… heat one of these rooms.
And so what we’re… As a matter of fact, one
of the projects I did… when I was teaching an
architecture course in Norway, and we built a tight-tight little room
about 1/4 of the size of this room to illustrate that… when you build a room with mass and
super insulation and tightness… that all the sudden… you don’t
need massive forms of heat, you need saddled forms of heat.
That you wouldn’t even consider. Saddled forms of heat or
the heat of the human body, the 98°(36,5 °C)of the human body,
a laptop… You know. This room we built would
be… could be heated from two laptops, from people working in it. And the way I illustrated was
we had this big thermometer on the wall and… there was a lot of skepticism and they
almost… they just quit… actually… ’cause they were… it was
too unconventional for the European minds, I guess, but… Anyway we got it built,
and we took a… the last day we took about a
dozen of people in the room, they were faculty and founders
of this architecture school. And, we closed the door and I
told them to watch the thermometer. And it went up a degree, and
you know they’re: ‘Ohh, well’ And it went up another degree and… By the end it had gone up, I
think, 10° and they were all these faculty, conservative, founders of the school were screaming
and laughing and yelling as they watched the thermometer raise just from the body heat of people. So it like brings the
whole different realm of… resources, you know, we’re used
to going out and seeking… major heat from a coal fired power
plant, or a nuclear power plant or a… or a… furnace or whatever.
When you build the room with a lot of physics into it, saddled forms of heat
become available to you, like a laptop, like the
body heat of people. And one of the ones that we’re playing
with now that I really like is a… we’re calling it a heat bulb. It’s a sort of this… I think it’s gonna about
like the size of a stove, and made of metal, and
you put compost in it, and, you know, everybody
knows that compost goes off, and, we’re… what was
trying to find out… I’ve already played with it enough
to know that it’s gonna work, I just need to get the logistics. So the idea with this thing is that…
in Norway where you’ve got… 7 or 8 or 10 days of no sun, and you’re starting to get
cooler in your room. you just need,
because the room is built right, you just need such a
saddle amount of heat. And this compost… been…
or heat bulb, I’d call it, would… would go o… you loaded up
with compost in the spring, and… this is what we’re trying
to find out is the time frame here, and then in the autumn when you’re gonna
start heating it, it’s going off, it’s hot inside.
And it’s just emanating… you know, may be 100°(38 °C)
or 120°(49 °C)of temperature. But that teeny little bit of temperature
is even more than the human body engine. And it’s just radiating this little
saddle bit of heat out there. And that’s enough to take the
edge of a cool room in Norway, if the cooler room is built
to contain everything anyway. And so, you know, may be that… we’ll find out you have to do
it twice a year or whatever. But we’re working on
it right now and… I had a… for the last… year I’ve had a garbage can, set
in my office full of compost, and reading out thermometers
how’s it going off and everything. The guys that I had helping me, I sent
them to Walmart to get me a garbage can. And I told them what I was gonna use it
for, but just they didn’t snap to it and… they came back with a plastic garbage
can which would have just melted. But this heat bulb thing
is just another trick… to… which is involving
biology and physics, to buy more heat… …without actual fuel.
And so… This is how we’re taking this… two areas where, it’s even, you know,
where it’s ridiculously less sun. But every… every city and country is
facing all these issues and… we have taken each one of them, and if you consider these like
systems of the human body, we’ve interwoven them and
they’re all interrelated to come up with this building now that
we call the ‘Global Earthship’, and… we have couple of examples of it here, and then everything else is a
prototype leading up to it. The Phoenix is the best example of a… all of this put together
and more in of a… flamboyant way to…
to make it… It’s not like what I would like to call
affordable application all of this, but it certainly is a… showing it in the most
intense way that we can. And so, then… what I’m getting at is… through the last few
decades we have… evolved each one of these things…
seriously. And… The problem now is being able to do it.
I don’t know where, I mean, everybody’s usually in these seminars
from all over the country and world. What we’re finding out is, we… It takes a certain amount of effort
to get a permit for all of this. We’ve got tricks to deal with it. Most of the time we’ve developed…
we used to fight them, then fight them on a small scale, I’ve tried to join them, I’ve tried writing
new laws, I’ve tried everything. In all of that it takes time,
you know there are some places… lots of them that… you don’t have much trouble and
it’s getting better because the… there’s more publicity
about, you know… climate change and global
warming and everything, so… All authorities are getting a
little better, but still, they… They have to follow the
rules and regulations, and the rules and
regulations can… you know, don’t allow a lot of the
things we’re doing. But there are… we’re making a map
of the US and really the world. There are places where it just takes
a little while longer, but like… But there are places
where it takes too long. And a good example is like in
Scotland. In the last few years… I think it was like
almost 3 years ago. They had a lottery
in Glasgow, and… Their lottery over there is somehow
split between the person that won it and the community at large. And so… The community enlarged
in gets to vote… agree on what they want to do with the
lottery money, it was a few hundred grand. And… they had… they chose to do, a demonstration Earthship in Glasgow…
with their lottery money. This is the public. This is the
people choosing to do this. You know, ’cause Earthships are… are getting well-known in Europe on
the websites out there and whatever… And so the people made a choice
to take their lottery money… and build a carbon-zero
demonstration for billion. And it took them two and
half years to get a permit. You know, like that… that’s insane.
That’s what… so that to me now that… you
know, this part is the fun part. We’re getting better all the
time, it works good now. It’s ready to roll and
where we at now is… Getting it, so that people can do it. Two and half years for a permit, it took us
3 years to get one in Brighton, England… I had a guy, worked 18 months, he was…
how he came to me… He was at an O² tank on his back otherwise
he was gonna die in the next week. And he worked for 18 months to
get a permit in Arizona. Pinal County, Arizona. To get a… his
Earthship built and it’s going up now. It’s on the web… So it’s like, in a lot of
developed countries and cities… It is difficult, still. The further you get out
in the bounties, the easier it is. And so what we find ourselves is… You know, we tried to support
people and work with them, and… and helped them through with the
permit process and everything… and… But… You know, as the thing, as the climate, as
the planet situation gets continuous to worsen, so to speak…
we’re seeing that… These places that allow you to
do, like third world countries. Third world countries
or the Indian reservations, Like we did one up
in Dakota’s Siouxland, And they… just took us out
there on chief crazy horses ancestors’… I mean descendents’
land and said: ‘Do it here!’ You know, that was the permit.*Laughter*And so they have land, now they
have a lot money from gambling, and they got no rules.
They could take the lead. Third world countries can take the lead, because they aren’t ?? these
rules and regulations. And in this country we’re taking a…
a map… you know, the US whatever
it shaped like… We’re gonna map it online, because there is these places
we call ‘pockets of freedom’. Like Montana. I mean, it’s actually, you know, this supposed to be a free country,
well let me tell you about it. But, there are places like… We just noticed this
recently but people have… You know, we’ve got people, we’re selling
drawings all over the world and… they’re hacking through the permit
process with ?? engineer reports, it’s tests and studies
and all kinds of stuff. Which takes… It slows down the process of getting
carbon-zero building out there. And… I can’t really find who’s fault it is…
it’s just the human condition has… vow on a set of rules around itself, in the developed world to the point
where they can’t evolve without… taking a tremendous amount of effort
in time and we don’t have that. So it’s an extreme contrast to
have somebody walk in our office, and a month later we’re building
a building for him in Montana. And that’s happening… it happened twice
in Montana, now it’s happening in Texas. So what we’re gonna do is map the
counties in every state, because… This county that we did this building in
Mile City, they don’t need any permits.(Question:) In Montana is the govern ??
’cause he know what you guys are doing?
’cause he’s… he’s….I’m not sure, we’re, as a
result of our build their, They’re wanting us to
tell them about… our grey water system
and things like that. But I imagine it, everywhere we
go it gets to the paper, so… I imagine they’re aware of it.
We’re not sure of… whether we’re gonna do harm
or good by pointing this out, but… You take Montana and
Idaho and the Dakotas and… And you start coloring in all these
counties where you don’t need permits, and now in Texas, we’re in east Texas.
No permit needed. In other words the guy
came in on east Texas, he came in and stayed in corner
cottage a few weeks ago, we’re going down there in three weeks
to throw up a building for him. No permit needed. So
what I’m saying is… Green, carbon-zero housing
can boom, exist instantly in lots of places around in the US. And then… You know, this is almost like the maps
that make the democrats and the republicans. you’ve got the map of where you’re
free to take care of yourself, and where you’re not free. And it could be that a lot of
people end up moving because… It’s beautiful land, some of the
most beautiful land in the country… is… what they say worthless
’cause it has no utilities, and it’s also worthless
because it’s, you know… Doesn’t have any rules
and regulations, so… There’s a lot of that in this country, there’s a whole lot of it in the
rest of the world. Europe is more… is one the worst for not having it,
but there pockets in Europe, too. So, there are places where… What we’re saying now is:
Yes, we’re still… we’re still working on the codes and
regulations and trying go through the… regular path which is more
time consuming and so on… But at the same time, we are… … going for these ‘pockets of freedom’. We have sort of got one here,
because of two decades of fighting.(Question:) I’m just curious, has
your fight gotten any easier now
that you’ve found these pockets where you
built and proved that it can be succesful
or there, other areas that have
been fighting you that are
becoming a little easier
to get this built?
Well, there is no question
that with the media… Now… Now, there used to be global
warming was kind of a… …freaky thing you didn’t talk
about and now it’s everywhere. You know, every time I turn on the
television there’s something about the climate change and everything. So it is getting easier, people at
least listening and looking at it, but… they always come back to the same thing.
It’s a government employee, has a rule book, he’ll loose his job if you
don’t enforce the rule book. I mean, I’ve even had them apologize
to me for having to enforce it. But, it’s like…
so what we… I don’t know how many
people have seen the movie, we introduced this law and fought
through it for 4 years and… So I illustrated to myself, yeah you can…
make new law and change things but
we don’t have 4 years. You know, we need to do this
every week, every month and… So we have now evolved
the law into… …what is known, it’s
an executive order. And executive order is… …is a tool that any governor
or president has to… And we wrote one for the
governor of Arizona and… For the government of New Mexico who’s
now on board with this, so to speak. We wrote an executive order that… It basically the bottom line
with it is, it’s like… It’s the way they did the atomic bomb.
You know, after Pearl Harbor, They… Everybody was scared
enough that… within weeks they were out here in Los
Alamos building a city, building and testing a bomb… Blowing apart 10 000 acres
(~ 40,5 km²), you know… They broke the rules
because they were scared. We’re waiting for them
to get scared enough, but… The executive orders what
allows a government to do that. So we’re writing an executive
order that mandates… carbon-zero permitting. If
you’re gonna build a home, that you’re claiming that’s
carbon-zero, and you… your proof of that is you’re
not hooking up to any utilities. If you’re gonna build
a carbon-zero home… …then you get a red carpet
in permit in days. In other words, red carpets
carbon-zero permitting. Right now, if you’re a developer
and you’re gonna build a… a set of condos… If you’re gonna build the typical junk
condos that hook up to all the grids, you’re gonna get moved
through pretty quick. If you can do some
expensive water system and sewage treatment plant and whatever,
all of which are ?? fast… But if you’re gonna do a green condo, carbon-zero condo development, there’s
gonna be definitely such, so much new or unheard of technology that you’re gonna be on the
permit level for 2 or 3 years. So the… There’s the issue right there. It’s
very easy, still, to do the wrong thing, it’s too hard to do the right thing. We’re trying to get an executive order
to make it easier to do the right thing. Or the logical thing is I would say. In terms of trying to move people… toward carbon-zero development
rather than more of the same. And so that’s the technology… This is what I’m going
after everywhere. The governor of the Galapagos
Islands has asked us to down there. I’m going down there in 3 weeks
or 2 weeks or something… They have made a claim to the world that there gonna be carbon-zero by
2015 and then they turned around and observed the fact that they
didn’t know how to go about it.*Laughter*So he goes online and finds these
idiots out in New-Mexico. Yeah!(Question:) Have you looked into
carbon credits at all ??? for this?
Well, I haven’t but my son
has carbon, carbon… …credits is gonna be a form of
currency, a sort of in the future. What they’re saying… I don’t quite
understand it, but they’re saying that… that a company, that’s doing
a bunch of bad stuff, could donate money to us
and get carbon credits. I’ll take it! You know…(Comment:) There gonna be bad stuff anyway…In a way that’s weird,
but it’s like… I don’t know. But anyway, carbon credit is
starting to be, you know… we’re starting… I would say if you
know how to do the formulas, and the application of carbon
credits to an Earthship, my guess is, it’s gonna come out with a
negative carbon foot print.(Question:) – So it’s not money on
community help improvement ??

– Yeah!it has a ??. What are the
priorities for a ?? housing.
So when we had our last meetings ?? on a big
talk about ?? of the affordable housing ??
for homeless to actually be ?? homeloader ?? andkind of all the things
in our community.
Ony my way they were talking
about getting people to
be able to afford their first house.So ?? I mentioned, you know, are we
building houses that are worth buying?
You know, ?? , we can build off
the grid with no utilities
I mean, you know if it’s possible ??
experience what is like… ??
have a type humanity?
?? trying to…
better off their building houses right
now, you know, not for people that are
upper built class with no… you know, p?
with earthships, but…
Well, we… We’ve been approached by Habitat for Humanity
several times, but it’s never… Their building… you know, they have a kind of good
thing of building houses, but… I heard that, through
talking to them, and… having meetings with them that a lot of…
the buildings that they build go up but than have… you know, just the same utility bills
like anybody else and they can’t… When they get a home for
an impoverished family, they can’t afford to operate it. You
know, with brazing, I mean gas here… Propane is quadruplet
in the last few years. So when you have to heat and cool a
building and provide electricity for it and pay a water bill, pay a
sewage bill even though it’s… give it the home is given to you(?)
you can’t afford to use it. So we have an… Nothing’s materialized with
them we’re still kind of… on the periphery of reality, I think, in
many counts (?) and may be will end up staying there because I think reality
is gonna crumble anyway, so… No, we haven’t got involved with any groups
like that although there has been talk. But… So the… The issue then is for… Where to go from here is yeah, at this seminar, today and tomorrow
and this afternoon, you’re gonna pick up… the crocks of a… how to… understand these things and a
little bit on how to build them. But there is a whole other
issue then we can… Depending on where people are located. If you haven’t got a land yet, see, what
I would say is a lot of people are… They come to these seminars
are looking for the… place to do it. And… so what I would say is… you would be miles ahead if you just… If you haven’t got your land
yet, to check around for the areas in your state or the
area where you want to live and… And see if you can find a pocket of
freedom to do this, as opposed to a… place where you’re gonna
have to fight for a year are bastardized the design or whatever. They’re ultimately, you know,
they will come around… And I can say that from
experience because, you know… 8 years ago they were
practically putting me in jail, stripping me of my license
and everything else, and now the governor is… he’s given us 300 grand to do this
building next door to demonstrate this They’re talking about
giving us another 400 grand to add an addition on it
where people can stay in it. it’s called the ‘SEE project’ Sustainable Energy Experience, and… Now, the town of Taos on the other
side the state has given them… the town of Taos land.
They wanna do a visitor center. And they came to us and asked to
do a visitor center, so they… They have come around… I mean
we could easily screw it up and be right back where we started, but…
you had a question!(Question:) What other areas would
you say are pockets of freedom?
Well, we’re… we have just kind of come
across of this concept or this observation. For sure… lots of Montana. But not exactly near buildings or ??
or anything like that, but just… not that far out. Lots of Montana, Dakotas,
Idaho, even Washington state, Canada… Then some of the backwards states,
East Texas, Louisiana, Arkansas… Even Kentucky. I mean, every state, you
know just go as far away from where… What we got is people on the
staff now, we’re starting this taking every state,
county by county, call in the county seat and asking:
‘What do you require for a permit?’ Because we just… it blew our minds
to have somebody walk in here, and a month later we’re
building a house for him. I mean just…
*finger snap*The house’s already designed. We
tailor the design to their climate. And… if they have the founding then they… you know, it’s like… It’s amazing to see that green, carbon-zero
building can… happen like that. And it really emphasizes
all these fights that we’ve been through over the
last few decades that… The technology is here, I
say it over and over again. The technology is here and
getting better all the time. The thing standing in the way is… The approvals to allow you
to do it and it’s like… It’s insane, but it’s really… Who’s fault is it? I don’t know. The other codes and
regulations came about from… The big phrase they
like to use is the… Health, safety and
welfare of the people. And so…
* laughter*They’re making them real
safe for the next week, but in the next year they’re gonna
all die anyway, so… Yeah!(Comment:) ? county,
Colorado
you have an earthship in ? is that
what you’re telling about?
– Yeah!
– And would you start…???There is no building permits are
required in septic? for that one.
Yeah, and so that’s the…
that’s fantastic. In septic, (it) has no problem.
’cause I’ll go into the… I may even go into a little bit
today. I’ll go into the… To the… Septic sewage system.
We have inherently in the building… a conventional septic system. That’s one
of the ways we have learned to do it… Like I say, I’ve gone through all of
the different levels of how to do this, from fighting to whatever… Fighting takes too much energy. You know, I just tell them
what want to hear now.*Laughter*You know… ‘You want this? You’ve
got it!’… And half of them… Half of the officials even know
that. That’s what I’m doing. But it makes them safe. ‘Cause they know that what’s
in the rule book is wrong. I mean, I have had officials in
Colorado asked me for a job, so… So we have inherently a conventional
septic system. The way I… We use it as part of our
unconventional system. The way I see it in
my head is like… When you have a dog, it’s got worms. And you’ve gotta worm pill
you have to give it. You put the worm pill in the bowl of
hamburger and the dog just… was sedate. So that’s the way I deal with the
regulation people, you know…*Laughter*I put in the bowl of hamburger
and they wolf it down. And it works!
But still, there’s, you know… There’s still the process and
everything, so it’s like… we’re head… we’re aiming
for projects that… I mean, I’m like… I’m not trying to be… A doomsday person or anything, but… You know… For us to spend our time… fighting…
the bureaucrats… As opposed to spending our
time building an Earthship. It’s way more important to
us to build an Earthship out in the boundies, ’cause the web… You know, we were out in the boundies
in Mile City in Montana. But John and my son
puts it on the web, people see it going up, they see
a carbon-zero building going up, going up quick and the world sees it. And of course, that causes, you know…
I think while we were in… Miles City’s when the governor of the
Galapagos asked us to come down there. And may be, it was… I don’t know, may be it was
while I was in Australia. In which is all the same
things are going on there. They need it desperately, they need
all of these things desperately. But, they’re just… They get it… To the certain point of
recognizing that they need it, and then they’re hitting the brick wall of
their own codes and regulations and rules. And… we’re looking in it, trying to find pockets of freedom
their and the other thing with Australia is just
like in this country. The place that’s gonna get to do it
quickest is the Mao… or the a… Aborigines. And in New-Zealand the Maoris. They… say that this is the… closest thing the white man is
done to the way they believe. And…
*Small giggle*(Comment:) And it has
a flat screen TV.
Yeah!
*Laughter*And so… We’re now aiming our efforts at
the quickest place we can do it. And not giving up on the other
situations, like I’ve had one See, there’s… you can take
all of these principles and… ?? new buildings. And… we could build
with and army of people, and we’re getting an army
of people basically… We could put an army of people together
building these buildings all over the world, and we wouldn’t scratch
the surface of what… the number of existing
buildings are. So taking these principles and
applying in what is called ‘retrofit’ to a… Existing buildings is a serious issue. And… You know, it’s not near as fun
as going out in the boundies and starting from scratch and
throwing up a carbon-zero building. It’s… takes… it’s a lot more… mental application to try to
take an existing building, And… And retrofit it. It’s
expensive as well. But… We’re doing it and… attempting it. But… What I’m getting at is we’ve got
a project that’s been on the books, on the drawing board and everything, in
Long Beach, California just a little… Half me and ?? that’s somebody bought and wants to
turn it, add on to it and make it… retrofitted to be more…
toward carbon-zero, they can’t get an
absolutely carbon-zero. And… They’re coming up against things
like it is in a historic zone. And… We can’t even put
thermal windows in it. Because you have to replace
the windows with like… kind of stuff, which is the old window weights and the old glass… I mean,
it’s ridiculous. I mean, history is for
history books, you know. Otherwise people are gonna be history. And so it’s like insane what’s
going on with retrofit. But retrofit is something like… It’s something that have in your minds,
because everybody can’t build a new house. Some people are gonna need to
retrofit the existing house, and it’s taking everything, all the
principles are simply the same. It’s the procedure and… …applying them into
an existing building. A way… I was asked to go to Norway to teach a course, but at the same time the school of
architecture in Norway… It’s the Bergen School of
Architecture, and they… are not part of the university, they’re just an architecture school. And they bought a… nine storey, concrete,
bunker, green silo. That still smells of
rotting corn and stuff. But the architecture students
are in that building, it is… You know, it’s weather proof when it
rains on it, it doesn’t leak very much. But it’s just concrete
on 1 ft(~ 30 cm)thick walls… When I got there it was in the winter and students were all in jumpsuits and
hats and ear-masks and gloves, setting their drafting
tables, doing architecture… Freezing!
And I had… You know… I pulled out and I wore hat
and gloves and everything just to be able to talk to them. And… so they wanted me to help them
figure out how to retrofit this building. And this really becomes a good
approach to retrofit of cities. We had several discussions
with all kinds of professors, and designers, and students,
and everything… And it was gonna be super expensive to apply all of these
principles to this building. But it was a 9 storey building and it
did have a huge volume of space. And the concept… And it’s really, that’s
the issue is coming up with the concept first. The concept that we ended up with
to retrofit this building was… It’s such a massive…
thing that we…*motor engine noise*we called it… we determined
that it was not a building. We called it terrain.
Just like, cliffs and… Rock formations and whatever. So we called it terrain and we quit
trying to retrofit the building, we just went in and made little areas. Like swallows build little mud nest on the overhangs of a super 8
motels, and stuff like that… We would go in and apply all these
principles to a little area. You know, this little area is warm, has a little solar panel, has a little
water catchment, has plants growing, and we just go in like a little… little cells of
cancer almost and… overtake this building, and… rather than trying to retrofit the
whole building, we took our space. And applied all these principles to it. And so anyway, that’s just
another approach on retrofit because we’re trying the more-less conventional approach to this
house in Long Beach and it’s like… And it’s been going for almost a
year, still don’t have a permit. It’s a shame, you know,
that’s the way it is. But… So retrofit is gonna be
facing the same thing that… that new buildings are. To… You’re inhabited by the…
nature of the situation. Yeah!(Comment:) Good question, the
last time we saw on the slides of
the toxicity of the tires.
How this… How did your…
where have you put all the tires
prevent from toxicity… ?
Well… There’s two answers to that question.
There’s another question that probably would come up and I’ll
go ahead and bring it up is the burning of the tires too. But the tyre… when you
go to a tyre store… And it’s got the show window and
the sun coming through the window, you walk in and smell the rubber. You know, it’s
offgasing, they call it. So, lot of people ask that question, and we’ve got a lot of bad press
on the website and stuff about… You know, ‘This is
garbage!’, we even… Actually we went through a period
of time when we had to… determine every building
as a waste dump. So, get a permit for dumping waste!*Laughter*
So, just paper work, but… So a physicist from…
University of Wisconsin, on his own volition,
did a big thick study… On running air through tires, old
tires, new tires, water and so on. And it ended up with the… thought, I think on his last paragraph
said that living in a tyre building is as about dangerous as eating a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich. And… So then I would get people
that said: ‘Well… if that peanut butter and jelly
sandwich is on white bread, and it’s dangerous.’*Laughter*
But the… So you get your sticklers
for sure, but the… The bottom line is he proved that… What he came up with was that tires after
they got 20 000 miles(~12 500 km)on them, have done their offgasing, and they’re not offgassing anymore, but, in two… they are buried when you…
take a tyre wall… And we pack out this, you probably are
seeing or doing some of this today, you pack out with cans
and mud and cement, and then you plast… you build that out
towards ?? with the rest of the tyre, and then you plaster that. So your minimum is about 1,5-2 in
(~3,8-5,1 cm)of plaster over one place, but that grows to 3,4,5,8,10. So you basically are burying the tyre.
That’s a tyre wall, it’s buried. Even if it was offgasing, it’s sealed. But… they don’t offgas after they’re
old and they’re buried. So… That is a… non issue, but we still
get people… worried about that. I mean, we have in the back of
the Phoenix when you go there, the tires are exposed. I mean, I don’t
think you smell anything back there. Than… the other question that
comes up a lot on tires… is… Burning. Everybody’s heard about
the tyre piles around the world, spontaneously combusting,
which they do. But that’s because… like a… if you
take a crumpled up piece of newspaper with air all around it and everything, and you torch it with a cigarette
lighter, it just goes up and flames. That’s… the way a tyre pile is with all the
tires with air all around them. They can spontaneously combust
and it’s hard to put them out. But if you take paper, which is very
combustible, in a NYC phone book, and put a cigarette lighter to it, it
doesn’t go off. It doesn’t happen. That’s the way a tyre
pounded with earth is. It’s… and that was
my line, at least… that when people asked that
question that’s what I told them. Well, that came true because… An Earthship up here
in the mountains, went through one of the major forest
fires we’ve had in the last few years. And… the… I’ve got pictures of it the… The front face wood burnt off,
the glass disintegrated, the roof dis… everything went away.
Except the tyre walls. They were plastered and… a couple of
places, it wasn’t a finished building, A couple of places the tires
weren’t plastered over, and that part the rubber melted
down to the steel belted stuff. But wherever there was plaster
on the tires… the tyre wall, they’re actually gonna build the
building back on the same tyre walls. So… they don’t burn.(Comment:) … one of your books is well.Yeah, I think so. They
don’t burn and… As used as a wall, and
they don’t offgas, and they are indigenous to the
entire planet and you can make… super walls out of them. And so… That’s the general look at the… the
basics. I think we could take a… 10 minute break and let
our buy a walk around and we’ll get back into some system stuff. Well… I’m gonna
take a few questions, and the people that asked me questions
some asked and asked them again, in front everybody, so that
everybody gets the answer, but… We’re talking here briefly about… The permitting in… in
New-mexico for instance. In New-mexico is where
we developed is, so… In New-Mexico, you pretty much can get a
permit as quick as any other building. In Colorado, some counties
don’t even require permit. Some counties are harder, and
some are like New-mexico… I have an architects license still in
Colorado, they haven’t taken it yet. So…*Laughter*
That helps sometimes. But… We had, I mean, we had people… This is again, many stories like this.
We had people that… we were in one county in Colorado
where the plan checker was new, she was engineer, educated and she just
made it really difficult for these people. And they have been working for 2,5
years to get a permit and finally they couldn’t wait any longer, and…
they went ahead and got a permit for… They just decided to buy
a manufactured home, that they bring in and set
on concrete blocks, and… That they could live in while they
continued to fight for their… permit for the ES. And they did it.
And they went in… The only… stumbling block on their permit,
for the manufactured home, was they had to sign it off a day with, that said they would not let any infants
or elderly people go in the building for 6 months ’cause of the offgasing
and all the weird materials in it. And, but they got the permit. They got
the permit in couple of weeks. Where the… been working on trying to get a permit
for a carbon-zero home for 2,5 years. They ended up finally getting the permit
building a building and getting a divorce.*Laughter*So… somebody, you had a question!(Question:) Do your accomodate, do they
do a… package ? like shell and…
power… for people and…Yeah, we go all over
the world and we… do turnkey, or, what we
call, shelling systems. And there is a packaged plan book, but now,
it’s just simply out of date because… What… when people choose something
out of the package plan book, we try to move them into the new,
global application of that. Which we don’t have put into
a packaged plan book yet, but it’s still similar.
And so… So a lot of people get us to do,
what we call shelling systems. And that’s the structure. And the power, water, sewage systems
installed. And sometimes no doors… No floors, no sealings. We define
what you want us to leave out, and it keeps the price, you know…
Cuts the price by 30-35-40%. These buildings are labor intensive,
so we keep this pies going… Usually it’s like a ballpark…
it’s like, something like…. 35% materials, 35% labor and then, What’s that? 70. And then… You got subcontractors
like your excavator, your electrician and your plummer. They end up being in the
neighborhood of 15%. And… Subs. And then… The rest of it is systems, you know… If you’re hiring a contractor
like us to do it, there’s profit, and then their systems. But the
thing, that consider is that labor and materials are
pretty close to the same. So if you’re gonna build a house
and there the neighborhood of 35%. So if you’re gonna build the building
yourself or seriously participate in it, there’s where you can cut. You can’t really cut on materials
they cost what they cost. It can’t cut on systems,
they cost what they cost. If you know some subcontractors may you’d
get a break, but if you’re building… or contracting the building
yourself, you can cut profit out. And greatly reduce labor. To the point
where you can cut, you know… 35% out of the building.
Now then if you… If you do that AND do shelling
systems, you can, you know… the $205 of ft²(~0,09 m²), that I say
these cause can probably be cut in half, depending on your approach. I say
$205 of ft² because… some people, It just shows you what these cause if you
absolutely out right buy it. I’ve had… these seminars going on for… I don’t
know… 15 years probably or more, And… I… in the
first book, I said… Beavers and wasps can build their
own homes and people can’t. And I made a big thing
of that. Well… and my head up my ass on that one,
because… people, some people should not build their own house.
*Laughter*They, you know… they…
I mean, I had… I had two… In one seminar I had these two couples
they looked much very the same. I coudn’t even… you know, I got them mixed
up. The guy was tall and skinny, They were… you know, they were elderly… Fiftish may be or late forties or
something. My heart bleeds for them. But… The guy was tall and thin, the
woman was short and heavy. Two couples almost loooked identical.
One of them… They both got inspired
and bought a land around Taos and started building their Earthship.
And they both… I always advise people if you’re gonna do
it yourself start off with just one modul. This was back in the
days when we did U’s more than these packaged
and global designs. So I talked them both and they just doing
one U’s[shape]first to see how it went. And One couple did a U… was successful and did another one,
did another one, did another one I think they did another one and they got a
giant building full of food and everything. The other couple got one U not even
done and got a divorce and hated me. You know, so…
*Laughter*These people couldn’t even operate a
Chevelle. Whereas these people could… And they looked just the same. So you
can never tell. But what I’m saying is…*Laughter*
Some people…*Laughter*…should, you know, some
people should do it. But when you make a blanket statement like
beavers and wasps, you know, you’re just… shallow thinking, I guess.(Comment:) So the 205 is basically a…
pardon?…– /squarefoot.
– Yeah, but I mean that’s…
turnkey to say have you built
it all the way out through finish.
Yeah, that’s basically what it costs and… When we’ve done it all
over the world and… That is a figure that is…
You know, in the US You know, you can, you can get a… What do you call it? The same kind of
home that Habitat for Humanity bills, (??) probably a $150 of ft². You know, you’ll get a junky
little frame home for less. But the price of a good, you know, brick
veneered, well insulated, thermal home, that’s not really a carbon-zero
home, but just a good home, is in that ball park all over the US. And like I say, in Santa
Fe there even a lot more.(Comment:) But they not ??
on any utilities.
Right, and that’s the point!
Like say, you take… Say, they cost the same. Say, you compare
it and an Earthship cost $205 of ft², which may be acquits to… Say, it costs 300
grand to get a size of a home you want. And… and it cost the same
to get a conventional home. And then, your mortgage payment on 300
grand if your lucky could be a… You know, a couple of
grand to month, may be. And it would be the same here. Then, on the conventional
home, you’d have to add… between 500-1000 a month on utilities. To your living expenses which would make
them in the neighborhood of 3000 a month. Whereas the Earthship… these
buildings like the corner cottage, the only thing they use… is cooking. And if I were living there I would be
cooking with the solar oven and a… even, I’d rather even use a microwave
that runs off the solar power system, than… than a propane oven. So, but
in the worst scenario, I’m saying… The utility bill on
one of these homes, in this community, that we’re
doing all over the world, is a… $100 a year.
(Comment:) And that’s for gas.$100 a year, for your utility bill. So that’s not bad. That doesn’t even…
that’s not even worth putting in here. Whereas your 500-1000 a month does
effect your living expenses. So… That’s the… that’s… The overall living expenses of a
carbon-zero home can actually be less. Does somebody else
have a question on…?(Comment:) There was one question
you wanted to have come gap
which was the structural integrity of
the can only or bottle only wall…
Somebody had a bearing strength
question too. So the… On the can walls which, you’ll probably
be doing some of here a little bit. Cans, bottles… they’re all laid
into cement or… dirt, mud, and… A can wall, for instance, is laid
like this on a paddy of cement. And then you put another paddy of
cement and the cans are there. The point is here that… The cement is sort of like a matrix
that the cans are in, and the truth is the cans could just… they
won’t ’cause they are aluminium. But they could erode a way and just
be gone. And you had a… You had a wall that was cement
matrix. Wth voids in it. So, the point here is that the structure
of a can wall is really the cement matrix. And so, by virtue of
that cans are simply a… method of forming cement or mud wall. So there, they’re really, there’s no
structure on aluminium, flimsy little can. It’s just a way of forming this
matrix that is the structure. And so that’s the case with bottles
or cans on… And we use them, see… I think, Kirsten may be
showed you in the slideshow, we started off doing can buildings
just as a contrived effort to recycle. That’s what… that thinking is what
led us to use tires, which now is… beyond, I mean, I don’t care if
it’s recycling or not on tires because there’s such a
bomber way to build. In terms of mass, in
terms of structure, and indigenous to the
entire planet and so on… And which brings me to this question,
the bearing strength of tires. Course, Kirsten showed you
the cement truck driving up onloaded, tyre wall that sort of… That’s the way I got approved in
the old days 25-30 years ago. I took that picture down
to the state authorities. And I said, you know, I wanna
build some buildings this way, and I showed them that picture, and… Everybody in New-mexico
drives a pickup truck. And so, this old guy, on the staff
down there, got up and said: ‘Well… ’cause they’re all wondering a little:
‘Should we let this guy do this or not… Or is he an idiot?’ Whatever, so… This guy got up and said: ‘Well… If you drive your pickup
truck through a frame wall, you go through it and out on the other
side may be you break out your windshield. If you drive your truck through
one of these walls, you will die.’ So they all laughed and approved it. That was the approval in those days.
*Laughter* And… so it’s definitely a… one thing
a didn’t mention in terms of it is… We battered the walls, we do what’s
called battering the walls. This… You can see the slope on this wall, if
we’re burying up against the building, we sloped the wall each course a little bit
into the burial, that’s called battering. That leans the weight of the wall into the way to the burial
and kinda balances it off. And there’s a coefficient
of friction from the weight of a 400 lb(~180 kg)earth
filled tyre on an other one… ’cause there’s no mortar. It’s just weight
and mass that hold these things together. The bearing strength
secret is… or truth… In a normal frame house
they make like an 18 inch, 16 or 18 in(~40-46 cm)wide footing. With steel in it. And they
put a 2×6 or 2×8 wall on it. And there’s a force going down of the
bearing that wall with the roof. And the way the engineers calculated
is they take different soils, and they figure out the
bearing capacity of the soil, and then they figure out
the weight coming down… and… that footing, the purpose
of that footing is to spread the force coming down
out to being something that will cause that to float on
the bearing capaciy of the soil. So if it’s a real cheesy soil, the
footing has to be a little bigger, and if it’s a real hard soil, the
footing can be a little smaller. The average rule of thumb
situation is on a frame home you end up with a 16-18
in(~40-46 cm)footing. While a tyre wall is already
significantly wider than that. So, when the engineers do the
take off on the tyre wall, they find out that the tyre wall is
already wider than it’s required footing. So the tyre wall becomes a monolith
that is it’s own foundation. So tyre walls do not need
a concrete foundation when you do the weight coming down
and the bearing capacity of the soil, the tyre wall is essentially floating,
on the… on the bearing capacity of… …of a… average soils.(Question:) Didn’t a conventional
footing ?? the frostline?
Then, yeah. Then you take… Lot of times conventional footing, if it’s
in an area where you got a frost line, they dig down, they put that
18 in(~46 cm)wide footing in, then they come up with 8
inch block, or something, and then they go up their frame wall. So
you have to go down to below the frostline ’cause, say an area line this, it
freezes, to 3 ft(~92 cm)down. But in a tyre building you don’t have
to do that because the tires go up, the earth comes up against
them, here’s the roof, the 3 ft(~92 cm)down can’t get
through the thermal wrap and the bearing is occuring
8 ft(~244 cm) down. So we, in a buried earthship we recreate
the frostline to the point where… it’s not a… it’s… it has
no effect on the building.(Question:) How about
the green house?
Then the green house outfront has
usually a couple of tires, and… sometimes three, and we put the
leaning face on the green house, and then we insulate that and
out a little, and bury that, and it’s the insulation again that keeps us from letting the frostline
get into the bearing of the tires. And another point there, a concrete
footing is brittle. It’s rigid. And any heaving will crack it. If you get heaving on, if you
did get heaving on a tyre wall. There’s no way it can crack.
It’s resillient. It’s hard, but it’s resillient. So…
’cause the… it’s all, it’s earth. Earth is more… when over time
earth is more liquid than it is rigid. And so, there any heaving that would happen
it’s not gonna have much an effect of any. And we still block it with
rigid insulation. Yeah!(Question:) On the ?? bearing strength
on… do you calculate the how’s /ft²?
We had an engineer report,
they’ve got into that.?? I read that you could ??I don’t think they have come up
with a max of what it would take. Other than the conrete truck
on the tires pretty much.– That’s gonna 2000 ft²(~185 m²)
– Yeah!What other considerations ??
are you putting earth a ??
Oh, so we’ve done them. The old
days we would… we would do that. It’s nice, it’s a soft situation. You know, I’m into the static effect of
these things being as soft as possible. Burial, roof structure, insulation. And in
a case like you’re talking about to get… you bury the roof. Now the reason, we used to do that, the
reason we’re still away from that was: One, we started observing that
a person standing in a room, the ambient temperature that they’re gonna
feel is coming off up to there head height. And that’s it. ‘Cause this is all
about ambient temperature not like a four stair furnace or anything. And so having a mass above your head
doesn’t really achieve anything. What it does do is make your structure
have to be a whole lot heavier to… … to support it. And… when you have grass on your roof you
don’t catch any years much water. And in an area like this we need,
that’s why we’ve gone to metal roofs. Is because the metal roofs
are so sensitive… that we have seen the gutter dripping
into the cistern from morning dew. And you won’t see that on the grass
roof ’cause it just gets absorbed. Due to water catchment, weight,
expense, and lack of effect, we don’t do grass roofs anymore.
What you will see… If you walk around and I’ll
go into this more tomorrow, the roof on this building was a material
called??, and it goes on with a torch, and it catches really nasty water,
so we put a really coatings on it to make it catch cleaner water, and…
they peeled off, So in, then we spray foamed it, which
you can’t get all over the world, so… this was a learning experience. The next two buildings
are these EPDM, the next building is the EPDM material.
It’s a rubber. It catches pretty water in it,
last 10 or 15 years and… It’s gonna need repair over
there on that one pretty soon. Then the next building is when
we started moving to metal roofs, but when we got into metal roofs
the detailing of a metal roof, it’s much more involved
than a rubber roof. So, it caused us to have to try get
the roofs more simple, so then… you’ll see on this global ones
the roofs are super simple, they’re just set up for… for sheets of metal to be laid down there
and screwed down and boom, it’s done. Catches super clean
water, but it did require… redesigning the mechanical
aspects of the buildings, so there’s not a whole bunch of
penetrations, we cluster them together, So the whole design of the
building is aimed that making the metal roof more simple, because the metal roof is so
valuable in terms of catching water. So all of these things are
going together. Yeah!(Question:) So with the metal roof,
and that’s facing north now,
at the winter does
the snow still melt?
Well, I’ll go into that
more fairly tomorrow, but since you asked I’ll
answer that part of it. This building was old-school.
I mean… Kirsten probably showed you up at Reach
the steep community in the mountains. What we observed up there, it gets… they
get a lot more snow up there than down here There’ll be 2 ft(~61 cm)of snow on the
roof, and the roofs were north facing… Like that and the glass on
the front was south facing. And… here’s the building. And we get a bunch of 2 ft(~61cm)
of snow on the roof. And… we just watch it
evaporate, no water. And… so we had one other
roof that just by chance, due to the mountain
was sloped this way, and we watched that roof
on a day like today, melting and water running into the cistern.
Observation was a south facing roof is gonna catch water, a
north facing roof is not. So we changed all of our designs
to do this… kick this south facing roof, kicking back up
with the green house just like here, to… south facing roof, it can be
very subtle we observed, to get a… just a bit of sunrays on it to melt the
snow, kicking back up with the … wintersun angle to still get the heat,
created a valley which caught water, but due to our inexperience and, and…
water catching roofs you know, if you got a roof like this you
can make a mistake and you may have a drip. If you got a roof like this and you
make a mistake you got water on a… coffee table and the living room
in a lawsuit. So… Back in court. But, the… so… this is just more
expensive to detail. And with metal… You know, that core
gated metal roofing that’s really the most sensitive and best
material, it’s a lifetime material… to use for a roof with this
kind of roof design is… expensive, problematic and whatever.
We did it. We did it at corner cottage. We put rubber
going up onto the metal and it’s expensive. But it works, works great
at corner cottage but… We always try to get these
things to be more affordable. So, what we did was we observed,
okay when the sun’s out, the snow on the roof… this is… this is the case with every
aspect to those six points. We’ve gone through trying and learning.
There was no books… about this stuff. We just ha to try
it and fail. Failure is a big… Failure is not allowed in the
real world really, you get sewed. But, it’s really, we’re… what we have
here is a form for failure, basically. Because failure is where
we’ve learned everything. So we have couple feet of snow,
the sun hits it, and it melts. When the sun is not out,
*sneeze*the south facing roofing is doing no
good, ’cause the snow is not melting. So, our observation is okay… when
the suns out, we’re melting snow. Well, why can’t we take that just a step
further? You got a north facing roof, The sun’s out, it’s not gonna
melt, so we put panels, water… glycol panels up here,
the pipe water in tubes through the back of the metal roof,
it melts underneath the snow, and convects up the metal
roof, the gutters right here, so again, whenever the sun’s out,
we’re running a little pump, and running hot water from the
panels, underneath the 2 ft of snow, and getting a tricolor water. It
works when the sun’s out, when the sun’s not out it didn’t
work, but neither this is. And what we have is we did the
math, this roof ends up being… 10-15 grand cheaper than this roof.
With all the things considered. So, we knocked, you know… it takes
2-3 grand to do this little system, which than also doubles as a
domestic hot water. So in the… in the rest of the year, we… this
give us a tank full of hot water, which I’ll go into more tomorrow, so it’s killing two birds with one
stone, we’re still melting water, and it saves us a whole
lot of money on the roof. So what you’ll see on
the later buildings, the one that Kirsten’s gonna
take you to called??tommorrow, is… you’ll see the solar
electric panels across the front, and then you’ll see two
big other kind of panels they’re the panels that
heat the hot water to melt the snow and give
you domestic hot water, so on the front of the
southern house I’m saying, I’m getting a little bit in the systems
which is more tomorrow, you’re gonna see the photo oval take panels. And then you’re gonna see these to… square panels that collect
water to heat the roof, and in between them is another
little panel that runs the pump, that pushes the water.
So it doesn’t … it doesn’t steal power from your…
household power system, it just… whenever the suns up, you got
water melting your roof. If you don’t want it, you
got hot water for you bath. And so… that’s just a…
you know, the… We consider all of these
things, we keep learning, we keep evolving the
building’s getting more simple and easier to build and
cheaper and… so on. Did you have a question?(Question:) You know, ?? a design
like a custon earthship or something.
What other principles you had?Things are going through my head.
*laughter*(Addition:) In five words ??
*laughter*Let’s see bacon, margaritas…
*laughter*The… Well, that’s… in a way that’s a good
question because… first of all, I try to talk people out of
doing a custom earthship because a custom earthship
is not as good as this… you know, it’s like going
into Dodge Motors and… there’s a… you know…
there’s is a… a Chrysler setting on the??
and you wanna customize, you wanna customize it if they even
do it for you at cost of fortune, the thing that they
build is what works. They just build more expensive
ones or cheaper ones. So I… but I do… customize the buildings
to a particular climate. For instance, gettinb back to our same
old global earthship here, that I’ve been drawing all morning… with the battered wall,
the thermal wrap… the… now north facing roof that we’ve
explained, the… double green house… and the convection engine, and the
tubes, and all of that, okay… If I’m going to… then I apply that to…
what I do, the first thing I do If you… when a client will tell me where they live. I’m still… this is where I start with.
But then… I get the annual rainfall.
If they have a lot of rain, that means I can have
smaller cisterns and… probably have to have
more solar panels. I also get… so get the
rainfall and I get the… the… winter low and the summer high. Now, here our winter low
is 30(°F~ -35 C°)below, not sustain but every once
in a while in the night and in the winter it gets
down there early morning, and summers are 105(°F~40,5 C°)or
something like that or 104(°F~40C°)… So… if you got a winter
low of 40(°F=-40 C°)below, and… so I collect data. You got a winter
below of 40(°F=-40 C°)below, but… But another thing I get is the
number of sundays. We have here… 300 on average sundays a year. Some place in main may have 35 or 40(°F~
-37, -40 C°)
below similar to us, but they have 200 sundays in a year or 190. So that information tells
me how to tweak the design. So in a serious situation
I would say probably add the third green house,
you’ll see it at the Phoenix there are places in the Phoenix
that have the three glass phases. Then I… the thermal wrap
that we put on the… the thermal wrap that we put on the…
around the building, to insulate the mass,
we would take it and put it under the floor,
just in the living area. Where the people are. We don’t
need to put it for the plants. But you’d go down an insulate
about 18 in(~45 cm)because… you’re… you know, you’re trying to
stretch all of these aspects to give you a little bit better performance
to make up for the lack of sun. And so, there are tricks
like that if you… the things that are adjustable,
are a few tweaks on… insulation, green house…
if you have less sun, then you power system, which I’m going
into tomorrow, gets into more panels. Like we did one in ??. We did
insulate the floor like this. We just simply doubled
the power system. We’ve found that they have about half
the amount of sundays than us, so… we doubled the power system. We actually
put two full-on power systems in. And that’s interesting because…
we… these power systems are
designed for earthships. You can’t take our power system
and hook it on to a regular house ’cause a regular house
a lot more demand. The things like we
encounter like with the… that we… that taught us to… point that out to people as we build
one of the early buildings before that we called earthships, pit houses. Which worked similar but
it was just before we… we copyrighted(??)the name
earthship and everything. And… and the people
moved in it, and… they… everything was working
and everything well they… called up one day and said your
power system is not working. And so… I talked to them on the phone
for a while… and found out that… You know, I was quizing them. I was trying to troubleshoot and find out
why the power system wasn’t working. And… and they said:
‘Well, we’ve got some gas.’ And I said: ‘Well, you know, gas can
tack the situation.’ and they said: ‘Well it’s not really hurrying
anything ’cause over here in the Winnebago
right next to us.’ But the Winnebago was
plugged into the house. With all of it’s fans and
refrigerators and everything. So took me an hour phone conversation to find out that they have pluged
a Winnebago into the building. The power system is made to run the
building. It’s not limitless power. So lots of things like
that have happened… to… you know, so you have to point
out to people, this power system is inter?? to your life in your home.
And… you know, if you… plug in your Winnebago
it’s not gonna work. Yeah!(Question:) In your opinion, I know
that you build this over the world.
Is there one climate that’s
easier to build an earthship
and it makes it cheaper, easier
that makes it perform better?
– Well…
– if you’d to choose one?Obviously, I think sunny
climates are easier ’cause you can get more power, more
energy… sunny, cold climates, you know… But… we’ve done them so many
different places that it’s just… Our effort is to make
them a universal design that can take care of people anywhere. And
we used to have as you can see all these different… designs which are really gonna
go away in our new education facility. Because we’re gonna be presenting
the current situation more. But, we’ve gone though so many
different designs and they were all evolving due to all the different
climates we were encountering. And we started seeing
that well, if we can… If we can standardize a design that
just gets tweaked for every climate, it becomes more available to people.
Because that’s the big things is that… Whatever you do it’s gotta
be easy for people to… to get it. To acquire it, to build
it, to buy it, whatever. It can’t… If you get too much custom and
tailoring it just makes it too expensive, keeps you from
standardizing, you know… the industry, the automobile industry,
all the different industries have done a good job of that, in terms
of standardizing their product. No matter how bad the product is. They’ve standardized it,
so people can get it. And so we learned from that because… part of getting something out there
is making it, so that people can… can obtain it somehow. Somebody
had a question over here. (Question:) Well another thing that
we’re trying to do. And since we go around the world
a lot, we get caught up on this. On thing that steers us
away from that is… We want to make these buildings,
made of products that are available, in even a third world country.
It turns out the tires, the cans, the cement and
the rebar, some wood is available. Glass is… that’s kept us from
the high-tech glasses. But… If you got glass on a north side for
whatever reason are… eastern-west even… then some of those kind of glasses, if
you can afford them, makes some sense. You don’t really need to use
them on the front face because they retared solar gain. Some of them. And of course, the organ field than…
they’re just radically more expensive. So we’re trying to use
materials that are… you know, I’d rather do a third
green house and justify it with more water catchement, more food
production, more sewage treatment. And see that’s another things, if you
in a climate, a serious cold climate that your blackwater system, like we
have here that green up the mesa is not gonna grow in for 6
months ’cause it’s severe cold, that’s another justification
for another green house not only as a buffer zone or water
catchment and a sewage treatment, it lets the plants grow year around. May be they’ll get down to 40 but plants
are live and it’s not freezing. So… We rather than go into higher-tech
pieces of glass, we go into… just more green houses because it’s really
easy to justify them. People can have them. Like if you’re in northern Canada
and you build the global earthship. Than we set it up so you can add this, and
we’re doing that on quite a few right now. In phase two, they’re gonna… they’re gonna be surviving
reasonable well with this, but they’re gonna be super
comfortable with this and have more plants and more
sewage treament and so on. Yeah!(Question:) And you added a third green
house. Why do you pitch the roof up?
Why don’t you just maintain
that straight line and… ??
Because we pitch. I always
draw that way because… the…. I relate it to the winter sun angle.
So this angle would be less in closer to the equator and steeper, no!
This angle would be less the… for the north you go and closer to the
equator you go it’ll be higher except, then when it gets warm you
don’t even need it anyway. So in a northern climate I match this
line with the winter angle of the sun. So the structure… this is glass.
this is insulated structure. So that the sun makes it
all the way house still. So I don’t wanna block any sun by this
buffer zone, I just wanna trap… more temperature so that
this -40° is not felt all the way here, where the people are.
So we’re still trying to get the sun in.(Comment:) It wouldn’t be cheaper just
go straight from that highest point
to the lowest point on the
back and have that…
Like this?
-Yeah, why not? ??…Well, if you’re gonna do it
from the to get-go, yeah! That could be structured. But a lot of
times, that’s one way you could do it. But since this… in our efforts
is to standardize since this… This is worthy of standardisation,
this global model. Then this is an addon
to the global model. So, rather than change the whole
structure of the global model we can keep it standardized
and add this, and… when you do add this, you find
that you have to adjust it. So you’d be dealing with separate
set of drawings for every lattitude, and we’re trying to avoid
stuff like that. Yeah!(Question:) I actually
have 3 questions.
One, can you talk a little bit
about what affects from depth ?
If you had a view, I think Kirsten was sayingyou have the ability to go
further from the green house.
Yeah, well room depth was… was
in the early days a discussion. Because if you have a…
If you have a mild winter. Then you can make their
use pretty deep. ‘Cause you’re not getting that cold. And in fact, it’s cooler back
here in the summer time. And if you’re having a severe winter,
you make the rooms more shallow. Because then the sun, and the air
space you’re trying to heat is less relative to the similar glass space.
In other words, this is considered
your source of heat. So you got the same source of heat for a…
much larger space than this much smaller space. So this is what you’d
do in a severe winter, this is what you’d
do in a mild winter. So, that was the… that was
the we played with the use. But then when we started going to… just making the whole building
surrounded by the 7 ft(~213 cm)thick thermal mass, thermal wraped wall,
we came up with two depths. we have one of 20… that’s
just to the vertical face. Then the… green
houses added to that. So we have two depths we use now that are
kind of universal to the world, really. 20 and 17. 17 is more sensitive to…
performing better, 20 performs not quite as good
in severe winter but it’s okay. And so… the buffer zone helps make up for
that. Then that gets in two structure. If you go much… see, our beams are spend
this way, not like they used to on the U’s. So when your beams spend this
way, if you get more than 20 you’ll start to getting into super
trusses and heavy, heavy loads and… 17 is the best because
it’s an easy span. With either trusses or logs which is what
we use, you’ll see both in the community. And so, we’re getting down to…
a lot of the… like when we first came up
with the package design, It was this way, it was a lot
cheaper, it was a lot easier. It was aimed though at being
easier to put together. And we thought that we’re gonna
sacrifice some performance by making this thing
easier to put together. Turn out that those package
buildings really performed well. Then when we added… so, just to show you,
see the orange is the package building, we did a lot tof them, all over the world.
And then… We started going well, we can even make
them better by doubling the green house. And then… then we double the green house
and got into this melting of water thing, and shoved that into a double
green house with the sloped roof and it turned out to be… we call it the
global because it works all over the globe. And so… these tuning of the U’s,
it’s kind of old-school at this point. It’s back into custom situation. There’s
nothing wrong with U’s except that… there are more details to build them. Therefore more time consuming,
therefore more expensive than these. The whole building is wraped
in the twice as thick wall. And so… what I’m gettng at here is that
the structure, thermal dynamics and price. All go into equally… determining
the design of this building.(Question:) So I have other questions.When you modified the design of the ??
design, ?? green house…
… at the roof level,are you treating off this skylights,
or skylights just not part of ?? …
Well, they’re gone. I
mean they’re nice. They’re cool ’cause you can lay there
in bed and look up at the stars And you can… just
there’s nothing… the light but see the buildings
are more shallow than this. So you go in corner cottage, or… there’s
a couple of globals that are built, You’re gonna find that… they’re just as light as this room.
You don’t really that light. They’re just as light because there,
they’re shallower. And they’re actually cooler because
now the air comes through the earth, See, if it’s a 105°(F~40 °C)outside
the air coming through that window and off the skylight is not
really anything but fresh air. Whereas… if it’s a 105° outside and we
open up a convection driven aircurrent, that sucks this air through… 8 ft
deep 30 feet long of buried dirt, you have an air conditioner.
It feels, up in Montana, it felt like the air conditioner
in your car hitting in your face. And so, we have better
movement of air, cooler air and less or no
openings in the roof. Like you go up on the roof
on some of these buildings, you’re seeing some of these newer
buildings, you’re seeing no detail. Details are money, detail is time. Where
after the thing… so what I’m saying is… Time and money do affect
design because… you… that’s gonna make it available to
more people if it’s not full of detail, like my original… and I still
look at things this way… First of all, I want it to work. Like we’re working on
this heat bulb thing now. I don’t care what is cost, what it looks
like, how much space it takes up, I want it work. I wanna be able to put
one in a corner of a room in Norway and have it emanate heat. And
I’ll stop at nothing to get that. But then after I get it working, then I’m going to try make it
affordable to people to buy. And easy for people to acquire,
and, and… on and on. So the first designs that we had
with the overall building were, we don’t care what the
building looks like, a lot of the ones Kirsten showed you
look like they landed last night, they weren’t marketable, but they
illustrated to us that… you can do this. So I keep that thinking as I go through
to get into more your question too, whatever it takes to make it
work without fuel, I will do it. Then, I will try to take into… the economics and the simplicity of making
it more available to people. But… There’s no sense in
making it economical and available to people and easy
to put together if it didn’t work. I’ve gotta go through the
making of work process first. And that process is at all cost. In other words, there’s nothing that should
stop you from trying to make a building that doesn’t use fuel. Whatever it
takes to do that, you have to do it. And that’s kind of how
these things are evolved. The buildings early on
worked just like this one. But now, they’re more available to people, less maintenance, more user
friendly, on and on and on. Yeah!(Question:) Has anybody probably ??…
has anybody
tried to get any of these
structures insure?
– Yeah! They actually have.
– Okay!Yeah, there… Both the banking, landing and insuring are
slowly getting easier and easier, because actually there’s a trend, It got slammed to the recent
economic crunch, but… there’s a trend toward banks and insurance
companies actually starting to favour carbon-zero buildings.
They see, if this building is not gonna be a white elephant
needing a ton of fuel in the future, then it is a better risk to
loan on and to insure. So there’s a trend for that, used to
be the banks wouldn’t touch them. You know, they’re too weird. But now…
that’s another thing. We’re… I don’t necessarily
agree with the economical world and the bank world and insurance world,
I hate insurance, but… but the… The thing is we have to go there to relate
to the masses of people that need these, and so, it’s kind of a…
you know, we will… not upstand on ceremony about
certain things, just to… in other words to make this palatable
to the large amounts of people. We can’t be… what do you call it?
Fanatics, although, I guess I am a fanatic.*laughter*
Yeah!(Question:) On the… you talked
about the depths being 17 or 20.
For a person is more ?? heat so 105
is really hot for some people.Would you suggest that or ??
on front to keep the main?? ?
Well, see that’s a good question. ‘Cause, see, you’re just getting into
what everybody’s getting into… all the little tailoring
tricks to tweak this. I would… Because the economics of
structure, spending 20 or 17 ft, I wouldn’t go any deeper than 20.
I would, in fact, stay at 17. I would add the green house ’cause not
only this green house is a buffer zone for keeping the cold from finding
the internal living space, it’s also keeps the heat and usually at the
summer, the sun is higher, so this thing ends up blocking any sun from entering the
first green house and the living space. And when you block the sun you’re in shade.
And you can still play the… the convection game out here.
We put skylights in out here. And if this green house is in
shade, and this one’s in sun, and then you close this
skylights, open these, pull the air through
the whole damn thing, and you still got the
convection engine, still got the cooler air
coming through the earth, and you got no sun. So your plan with
your sun angle and… we’re trying to standardize adapt
for structure and economic reason. People will say: ‘You know, why
can’t you go 30 ft this?’ Well… Then you got to change the whole structure,
you can customize to you blow in the face but… there’s no real reason to
do that ’cause you can stay cool, without going deep. Sometimes I would
consider poppin’ out a littler earth room, back on the backside that’s…
really an inter??, you know… It’s a custom thing, but… you
know, largely custom is, is… just an additional cost. Yeah! Yeah, like look at the.. Like we’re talking, we’ve
been talking for… several years to different factions in
Africa, so we obviously thinking of it and… did some stuff in India and
talking to more in India. And… tires are, you know… they are in 90% of the planet a
thing people want to get rid of. But where they are not available or
where they aren’t really using for sandals or all kinds of other things.
Then, you don’t have to have them, We are… and usually in Africa then, you’re looking
at not sub-zero freezing temperatures, you’re looking at milder temperatures. What we have been
leaning toward for some of our builds in Africa
that may or may not happen, what we’re doing one is Swaziland, but
that’s gonna be up in the mountains, so it’s gonna be tires. But… this… The wall around the building next door and the wall surrounding the tyre
wall out here is just glass bottles. Could be plastic bottles, laid in mud.
Mud, sand and straw. And, so, the, again…
it goes back to that… original conversation I just started
the second half here about the… the structure of these bottles and
cans are simply a method of forming, a cement or mud wall.
Take a look at the wall surrounding this building next door.
It’s a pretty strong wall. Yes, it is on one course of tires
to get it up off the rain. But that can even be dealt with. So, mud… We’re talking about using
mud and glass and plastic bottles now, it’s my understading that in Africa
and my observation in India that plastic bottles are
available by the billions. Because a lot of people
drink bottled water. So you should be able to find
bottle if not bottles and cans. Not necessarily even
aluminium cans. But these… beverage
containers that do occur all over the globe, can be used
to form mud and you can do… what we did out here, you can’t
see it because it’s covered now, as we did the mud and
bottle wall and… we actually had a tyre wall
and we filled the inner with pamas(??). And, of course pamas(??) is not
available, straw, grass, whatever. So you can make the mud walls as a
sandwich of insulation in between and the insulation can
be whatever you find. And in Bolivia we went out and got
paha(??). You know, from the fields. So, the mass is, the storage
of temperature in a.. climate like a lot of Africa’s
not gonna be as serious, because you’re just looking
for shelter and shade. And so then, the thermal mass storage of
temperature is not as important issue and you can still use the
earth to build with. Yeah!(Question:) Have you had the
opportuinity to work with
like any sites where
microhydros are available?
In Scotland we had that and… the other power system, that I’m
getting into tomorrow, that we use that we pretty much have invented, does
take power from wind, sun, microhydro, and it just saddle a little stream
or, or… even a small river, If you got it on your land, yeah. You
can put that into the… the kitty. ‘Cause a lot of places don’t have as much
sun as us we have to combine wind and sun. And if you got, yeah… if you got
water and no sun then the system will take it from wind, hydro,
sun, linegrid or a generator. In other words, it will take all
of that and put it your batteries no matter what you’re getting hands on.
Was there a question over here? Yeah!(Question:) The green house, the third.
how big can it be made?
Well, it’s, it’s pretty… you can get pretty big with it, we
like to take them big enough to if you’re gonna go for
that to get trees, citrus. The Phoenix has got citrus trees in it.
So, it’s… It’s a question, if you get way,
way out here… here’s the answer. 10 ft is a good starting point. Then you get 11,12,13,14,15
to 30 you get out there, the higher it has to get ’cause there’s
your angle. You have to stay… keep in the wintersun admitting. And so then the volume
of it gets so big, that if you get out there a
far enought it would freeze. You know, it would get…
you know, it’s gonna… The perfomance of it, You know, I like for hours at the
Phoenix, which you’ll see tomorrow, to… I don’t like for to get
below 50, let’s say. Reason being is because
I got tilapy at there and the lethal temperature for
tilapy in the water is 60. And we lost a batch due to that. So now we’re tightening, we’ve
tightened the whole thing up and put a solar heater
on the tilapia pond, and… so far so good.
we’re eating tilapia. But… So anyway, the point is 10 ft is a
good beginning, 11, 12 may be okay. Then when you get out
there bigger, you just… reducing it’s performance
and extending it’s cost.(Question:) What about
adding a fourth green house?
Well I haven’t come up against
the situation that would… require that. But somewhere in Canada
I can imagine, you’re Canadian?*laughter*
– No, but we only eat raw fruits…
so we would like to grow trees
for all year around, fruit.
– Yeah!
– from trees, for all year.Would that be possible?Yes! I would say… I would say
still you can do it in a third. Because… look at the Phoenix! You
haven’t been to the Phoenix yet? Okay, this should answer some of that.
There’s nothing wrong doing a fourth. But I think, in terms of a… I think three can give you. You know, if
your house ends up being 80x60x80 ft long. And you got… you got a green
house, usually they have a… you got food in here, and you got food in
here and some may even have food in here. You got three areas to grow food and that’s
another cool thing about the Phoenix is… There’s so many different areas, you
got all this micro climates where salad grows best here,
bananas grows best there… as a matter of fact there should
have been last night or today or something banana
bread from the Phoenix, Just harvest a big fat
bunch of bananas. And we always have
bananas, people… year around we have bananas
all in these buildings. Yeah! All year, one of the house is has got
bananas year around and you can… you can, some people say,
you can survive on bananas.*reaction*
– We do! We do!
So you can have a… yeah, you
can have bananas year around. I mean, the Phoenix
is just scratching… it’s huge and it’s been
going on for 3 or 4 years. But it’s just beginning to scratch
the surface of what we can produce. We’re starting to go into layers, and I might get into that tomorrow on the
botanicle cells with the growing, but… and citrus trees we’ve got,
once you get citrus happening, we got one them that has limons
asides grapefuits and… You know, it’s amazing how much food
you can produce in your own home… while, you know, treating
sewage at the same time.*humming*
It’s cool…
Was there another question? Yeah!(Question:) Eventually
in briefly ??
hydroponics as a system to grow
food and use the grey water?
Well, our botanical cells,
which I’ll go into tomorrow, are a sort of a cross between
wetlands and hydroponics. So the, we have approached plays with
hydroponics but we’re trying to go with… you know, stay with simple aspects
that people are used to dealing with which is planting plants and dirt, but
they still have unlimited access to water, you know, in a way it is
very much like hydroponics, Here we’re just structuring
the plants with dirt rather than hanging them
with some kind of structure (Comment:) ?? chemicals?
– Yeah! Yeah, we’re not into
playing with that much. We wanted to all be a more of a
natural process that we can…(Question:) So you don’t feed the plants
in here at all? It’s all just from…
When you see the Phoenix, all the
Phoenix is the, the sewage system. And the nutrients from that… You know, I’ll go into how
about it works tomorrow, but that’s actually what
the thing looks like. The roots go down, they have
access to water constantly, What I’ve observed is that when you water
plants with clear water, they grow. When you water them with grey water, they
explode. You know, they just go crazy. And so I’ve seen plants do things that I
never had seen do before with grey water. So it’s like, they’re happy. And they’re stronger and more
resistant to bugs and stuff like that. There’s a whole lot to go
into that conversation. All right! Then…. We’ll do the same thing tomorrow and we’ll
get into the systems really heavily. Power… we start with water and
sewage ’cause they’re interrelated. And… then power. And then, you break tomorrow and go on a tour of
all of these houses I’m talking about, and see everything I’m talking about if
you’re not staying there already seeing it. All right! We’re gonna work
now about 45 minutes…

64 thoughts on “Earthship Seminar 2009 (DVD I) – Earthship Szeminárium”

  1. Regarding heat in extreme cold places a biogas can be used and a copper pipe can be run into the fermentation as a ftench guy did

  2. I think its funny how he says that tires are indigenous to the planet. Lol. Like as if tires are the trees from which they come.

  3. Is there a link to the mapped "pockets of freedom"? Keep on keeping on. Your contribution is a great gift. Thank you for sharing in plain English. Looking forward to part 2

  4. Is there a Earth ship home in Puerto Rico yet? And if not I would like to get information on cost. I o ready own the 5 acer of land and live near a architectural  and engineer college that would benefit on the build  

  5. This man is just AWESOME.   And I would not insult him by imposing a nobel peace prize on him.  "You don't need to be a psychopathic mass-murderer to get the nobel peace prize ……  but still it helps …;."

  6. I love the earthships. I do want to build one but wonder how well they would function built from Superadobe earthbag technology instead of the use of rammed earth tires.

  7. Thank you for your kind guidance and support.  We are at our seventh major earthship style complete build in Ibiza spain.  All our builds are with great thanks to your support and guidance.  Ibiza, Reork (the builders) and man kind are in debt to you. 

  8. what do you do with areas that are extremely humid? are there any concerns with mold or unwanted moisture in the house?

  9. What about building a hole green house on this model. I live in northern Canada it gets very cold. Do you think this would be workable? I would use this for food production and could use animal heat for excess heat for winter. I would love some heat formulas if possible for calculation. Thanks

  10. If there is anyone interested in an Earthship project, I have one for sale in Eloy Arizona on 3.43 acres. Please contact me at 520.705.8078.

  11. would perhaps your heat bulb look something like a truck fuel tank or bus or car fuel tank, sounds like you have a fair range, just saying. LOL

  12. Radon build up in homes like "Earthships" is a concern as it causes cancer particularly lung cancer. From what I have seen this hasn't been addressed at all. People pay large amounts of money to live in these types of off grid homes and many builders who claim to be experts are blindly ignoring dangers like this. Off grid building typically does not require building permits or inspection so it is vital we help educate and inform people before they, their family and friends become victims.

  13. What kind of windspeed the structure can withstand the builidng code along the coastal area code required 145 mph wind speed?

  14. Are the costs of collecting the tires/cans (time – transport labor) and catering for the volunteers included in the $200 sq/ft?

    How much would the sq/ft cost if we had to pay for labor instead of using volunteers?

    How many volunteers are needed for a 3 bed. How many hours of labor in total and how many hours of training each one needs?
    thanks

  15. Can you help my family do one we live in Florence Al. And we have a lot what you are talking about on my land ?

  16. 17:00 "…I get served shit and peanut butter on the same plate…" That's the best way to illustrate that, that I've heard of.

  17. I really like the Earthship project but sometimes I hear odd things like :

    Tires are indigenous to the entire planet?
    Let me school you for a moment so you stop saying things that doesn't make sense.

    Definition of Indigenous(Originating or native) naturally from a particular place.

    Just because there is an overflow of tires doesn't mean it's indigenous. There is nothing natural about a tire apart from the material used to make it. It's just means we are not very good at reusing used tires!

  18. In the greenhouse, either the first or the extended, would planting trees cause shade to the inner house thus blocking the solar heating to the house? I guess one tree wouldn't be too bad, but I guess you couldn't start an orchard, lol

  19. Wow yeah you the compound in Taus Nee Mexico is amazing and this is the best most adaptable idea that I have seen ever ✌🏻

  20. What is the life expectancy of the tubes and how long do they last? What is the oldest Earth Home and what issues do you have with degradation after 20 years of use? Do you have to redig 200 ft to replace cooling tubes every 20 years ? Do you have to reglaze the windows in another 20 years? What is the upgraded maintenance in the future and do you know what some of these issues would be along with the costs?

  21. I have built the first Bedini pulse motor that sends power from one battery to another and turns an Axial Flux generator additionally to make static power to the battery bank. This can have one solar panel dedicated to the drive battery and can run 24/7. This would increase the battery storage charge at night or on cloudy days. I have not perfected it but now see how to build it for max output.The unit creates more energy than what it uses by double plus. 12v marine drives it and stores in another 12v marine. Auto switching mechanism keeps max revolutions up. My machine works at 170 to 208 on rpm. Continuous trickle charge as you use it. Also a japanese engineer built a shroud around his wind generator and gets 2.25 rpm more than conventional wind devices. Creates an eddy and allows way more air through the center where the blades are. When I saw your earthships I thought this would be great additions to your homes making them more sustainable even more.

  22. it is said that radon is coming from the soil, so my question is …putting so much dirt around the house and pipes to bring the cold/heat naturally found under 8 feet into the earth, how one that want to build an earthsip will deal with radon…

  23. Scientist knew 1000 years how to use the Earth but our country in the United States dont wont you to . Goverments make you pay their taxes on your heat and electric water , they want every penny you make for your housing they don't care about your food.

  24. The resilience of Mike Reynolds is amazing. With the amount of 'STUFF' thrown at him by bureaucrats, officialdom and policy etc., it's incredible that he still has the energy and drive to perfect his concepts. This would have made most people give up but not this man, he is a 'A hero to humankind'.
    Thank you for uploading this wonderful video.

  25. I am ever so grateful to you for teaching us this important way to build, live. Thank you, thank you. I am looking forward to building mine here in Florida. I plan to purchase land in our county. We are allowed to have chickens and other livestock in the county. Thank you, thank you.

  26. I thought the constitution says I’m a living being that has the innate right to live life that is best for me as long as I’m not hurting anyone to do it. It’s not in theses exact words, but means the same. I think this birthright is the written word in what is known as the Bible, maybe not the exact words, as I mentioned, nevertheless the exact meaning.

  27. Hey, this sounds great! I have a dumb question though…given that pathogens pass into the soil, and on to food …for example the bacterial issues in Canteloupe (rock melon) recently…how does natural, in-built, filtration sanitise the water that 'feeds'the plants? Sorry, I'm not building savvy enough to see how that would work. Keen to try/ help others try these ideas!! cheers, Fiona

  28. Another dumb question…sorry.. Is there any way plastic could be used more in the design/construction of the building? The reason I ask, is that Australia ( where I live) is now no longer ( thank goodness) Shipping it's rubbish to China so much for recycling… Building houses with the plastic, or recycling plastics more, would really help our nation and planet… It would also help our government!! cheers, Fiona

  29. How about extra cooling by adding water to earth when it is hot…and growing perennial plants over the roof of the house proper in summer? Hopefully you have seen the Coober Pedy houses and these an provide further inspiration. Permits can definitely be an issue in Victoria, Australia.

  30. What about areas like Illinois and Missouri where we get hail storms. How does that effect a Metal roof? There was a building used as a credit union and they built a metal roof and it had a steel frame underneath for the roof framing.

  31. convection, conduction, radiation. convection is in liquids and gases, conduction is in solids. radiation (twilight zone music please) is in empty space

  32. lol… I've been listening to your presentation while I scroll through facebook on another page. I came back to see what you were talking about at 29:00 and I guess I was expecting some kind of intricate drawing but all I see is blue and red. I guess I need to rewind, i'm sure this will all make more sense if I watch it too… still lol

  33. at 1:32:40 wtf, but it's okay for infants and the elderly to breathe in off gassed formaldehyde from new building materials, wth is wrong with people BLESS THEIR HEARTS GRRRR

  34. Mike Reynolds the power options of low sun areas is some what problematic…I believe the techs have caught up to turbo charge such limited systems that may even include a buy back from the power company if you incorporate grid backups…the over unity magnetic bearings combined with high efficientcy brushless motors could do just that but the heat from developing such a flueless system would be incredible. National electric coil was interested in this concept about 10 years ago and I did present to the marzoni auto lab this idea in 2010 but it is all to hush hush…these ideas are not proprietary and now are easily with in reach but oil will push back very hard…are you up for it?

  35. Anyone know how these houses work in high humidity in the summer, like in the Austin, or in the San Antonio area? I love the concept of the air being cooled by the 'earth cave', created, but does this work in high humid areas? What happens to the moisture in the air, as it is being drawn into those big pipes?

    Anyone know if getting a permit for an earthship in the above cities and surrounding areas is possible?

  36. It is the greatest shame that we must ask permission from the ignorant who have no ears to hear nor heart to listen. Yet they are the judges who are supposed to be objective and fair and our authorities.

  37. I need to find that place in Texas. I'm in Denton and I'm gathering ideas on how to build and yours is the best I've heard of, but anyway,

    consider Hokkaido Japan, itsa pocket of freedom, are you there yet? I recently learned the land is cheap or free if you just go there and build. You might have to decorate the front of your house as being a little bit Japanese traditional or very modern and less Mexi-Moroccan-Hippie- Gypsy but you can incorporate elements of all to be more aesthetically pleasing to the Japanese mind's eye.

    There should be some hillsides… I don't know how much rock is under how much dirt but worth checking out for yet another experiment, you think?

  38. 2:22:11 ish, Referring to the lady with the question about adding of 4th greenhouse Maybe that's when the use of geothermal heating could come into play check out an old guy in Nebraska growing citrus in his greenhouse that uses geothermal tubes to heat his greenhouse in the winter; maybe some of his concepts can be incorporated as well .

    He is growing year 'round citrus, hard to grow citrus at that, in the 'braska cold, in a greenhouse, in the Winter. Of course he grows all kinds of other stuff too but you should see it, he's got a YouTube video on it -I'm sorry I wish I could tell you the name of it but, I just happened upon it and I saved it – but I'm sure if you googled "old man /Nebraska/ greenhouse citrus" you'll find it. It could even be a money making venture for people in very cold climates because citrus in the Winter would certainly bring a premium price at a farmer's market or even a local grocery store if they could work out a deal.

    If it can't be incorporated into the earthship extended green houses perhaps it could be somewhere on the property to be profitable for food for the family and money making venture as well.

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